Microsoft Java? Is it available in Vista? (not sun java!)

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Jacob2000, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. Jacob2000

    Jacob2000 Guest

    I need to get a new pc for work purposes, and my employer still uses the old
    Microsoft java for its servers. I can not get SUN JAVA to work (I have tried
    and had my companies techsupport email me the Microsoft java instead to get
    onto the servers). Does vista still have the old microsoft java in it, or
    available to download? Will the old Microsoft java that works on XP work on
    Vista? I can not risk loosing thousands of dollars not knowing this answer
    and taking the chance on VISTA, without knowing for sure that I will be able
    to do this. Thanks...
     
    Jacob2000, Mar 29, 2007
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    Max Guest

    Max, Mar 29, 2007
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  3. Be aware, the Java VM is not supportet in vista!
     
    Werner Zumwinkel, Mar 29, 2007
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    pvdg42 Guest

    Are you referring to the Sun JVM 6? I have it running fine on Vista here.
    Earlier versions have issues.
     
    pvdg42, Mar 29, 2007
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    LaRoux Guest

    Dude - find another job. How many years has it been that the MS JVM has been
    unsupported? I'm thinking at least 3 but maybe 5. This seems like an IT
    organization that is either incompetent or completely out of control.
    Neither can signal a good future.

    As another alternative just in case something is keeping you from securing
    your future, get your new Vista system and run XP (or 98) in a Virtual
    Machine to support this legacy system.
     
    LaRoux, Mar 29, 2007
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    Craig Guest

    Hi there,

    I had a problem with the default J2RE 5.0 ver 6 install when trying to load
    Borland's Interbase. I installed J2RE-1_4_2_13 and it worked fine.

    Cheers
    Craig
     
    Craig, Mar 29, 2007
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    Jacob2000 Guest

    Well I have to use Microsoft VM because my the company I work for is
    unwilling to upgrade to SUN java... for whatever reason! I am not going to
    quit my job just because MS cant or wont upgrade their older software to be
    compatible. I work for a fortune 20 company, and they probably spent
    millions on MS Java, and like so many other companies, they dont see a need
    to upgrade what has been working, to make it work on a new OS. After all, MS
    should be making it EASIER to move over to a new OS, and not harder! I make
    way too much money to want to get a different job... at this time....

    That being said, If I cant get VISTA to work with what I need, I will just
    have to either dualboot XP or not get VISTA at all and stay with XP! Its as
    simple as that!

    So if MS wants my business, and that of others, they have to be more willing
    to get their act together and make Vista more backward compatible with
    programs that at least work with XP. After all, more than 60% of people are
    using XP, and probably will for the next 2 years...
     
    Jacob2000, Apr 3, 2007
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    Jacob2000 Guest

    Sun Java is simply not an option! I already contacted my companies support
    and they use Microsoft Java! I have both installed, but have to switch to MS
    java, reboot and then loginto my companies site to do my work from home.
    Then if I want to use SUN JAVA, I click it, reboot and then I can use it!
    But my issue, and the whole reason for my question is:

    Will MS Java work on Vista, if I install the same one that came with XP?

    Thanks
     
    Jacob2000, Apr 3, 2007
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    Robert Moir Guest

    I doubt it. I certainly hope not. While I appreciate the pain you are
    feeling, the Microsoft JVM used to be a reasonable choice but has been
    obsolete for so long that it is now relatively speaking an awful item of
    code. It's _very_ insecure and absolutely does not support the current JAVA
    platform specs at all properly.
     
    Robert Moir, Apr 3, 2007
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    Dan Guest

    MS Java is not an option thanks to Sun. They made MS remove their version of
    Java from the Microsoft OS's. As a result you and your company are stuck.
    Not to mention the MS version no longer being supported thanks to Sun makes
    the MS version very insecure and vulnerable. Your company would do well to
    wake up and change tactics as they are only hurting themselves and their
    customers with this practice. Blaming MS for this is just plain stupid as if
    they had a choice they probably would still have their own version of Java.

    Dan
     
    Dan, Apr 3, 2007
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  11. Blame the problem on Sun. Then tell your fortune 20 company to upgrade their
    software.

    But if they are a fortune 20 company they already know where the problem
    originates from.

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    Regards,

    Richard Urban MVP
    Microsoft Windows Shell/User
     
    Richard Urban, Apr 3, 2007
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    norm Guest

    The bottom line is that ms originally did not abide by terms it agreed
    to when using sun java under license. Sun sued and the courts agreed
    with sun, forcing ms to abandon its version (after a specific time
    frame). Ms then attempted to not bundle sun java in xp at all, and was
    sued again by sun. Sun prevailed and ms was ordered to include sun java
    in xp. What you are seeing now is due to the judgements and settlements
    from these suits. This url has the details should you wish to read it:
    http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/1561231
     
    norm, Apr 3, 2007
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    Mr. Vista Guest

    "upgrade to SUN java" - very appropriate choice of words.

    dualboot - end of story.
     
    Mr. Vista, Apr 4, 2007
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    dixiedee1953 Guest

    i have java on my computer to play games but when i went to open up frostwire
    it said i needed another version of jave. so i went to download it and i keep
    getting an error message. do you know of anyway to download this? if i
    remember correctly it is java runtime 1.6 or something like that. i tried to
    dl it in ie, mozilla and netscape. cant get it to dl.
     
    dixiedee1953, Apr 29, 2007
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