Migration from sbs 2003 to 2008 standard

Discussion in 'Active Directory' started by matttt897, Apr 17, 2009.


  1. It seems that it is still in a bit of a mess. The inside interface of the
    SBS is set to DHCP, and it is a DC. DCs must have a static config.

    The IPv6 interfaces need to be disabled on both servers. By default is it
    not enabled on 2003. It must have been installed manually at one point or
    another. Do you know why that was? IPv6 is a known communication issue with
    Windows if not being used by clients. In your case, your clients are not
    using it.

    What is IP address 192.168.16.14? That shows up as a WINS server on the
    client? Is that IP another server we are not aware of?

    The Bluetooth adapter needs to be disabled on the 2008 box.

    SBS DCs are capapable of handling multihoming, but 2008 DCs are not If you
    need to have RRAS on the 2008 DC, there is a multi-step procedure to change
    registry and other configuration data that is complex and I'm sure you will
    not want to do. Do you have a separate server (not a DC) that you can
    install and run RRAS? Otherwise it will complicate your situation more than
    it is.

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 17, 2009
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  2. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Actually to update. My new server is now not seeing the active directory. I
    didn't change any settings from before. Its again looking for the old server

     
    matttt897, Apr 17, 2009
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  3. Your configuration is complicated and based on my advise, and Meinolf's
    advise, they must be cleaned up for the DCs to properly function. If the
    tasks and configuration involced is too complicated, if I may suggest, and
    all due respect, maybe considering hiring a local consultant to assist may
    be better to get this in place and operational for you so it does not cause
    you any down time for your business?

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 17, 2009
    #23
  4. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Ok guys, I took your advice and removed routing and remote access. If i can
    get this thing running I can always worry about it later on.

    I currently have my router going into my switch, with all the clients
    connected and servers connected the same way. I have given the new server an
    ip address 192.168.0.100 for ease, and have given my old machine
    192.168.0.101 also. With this setting my new server can atleast "see" the old
    one once again so this has relieved me somewhat. I also have my new server
    pointed at itself for DNS.
    My machine still however, will not retain the user names. I'm not sure what
    the extra tunnel adapters are.
    I feel like i'm closer though
    new ipconfig for 2008
    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
    Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    C:\Users\Administrator.DESIGN>ipconfig /all

    Windows IP Configuration

    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : WIN-WUBW7OCSGZN
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : design.com
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : design.com

    Ethernet adapter LAN:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8169/8110 Family PCI
    Gigabit E
    thernet NIC (NDIS 6.0)
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0A-CD-17-F5-72
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100(Preferred)
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
    NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

    Ethernet adapter Internet:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family
    PCI-E
    Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0)
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1C-C0-B5-97-D5
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 8:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 9:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 11:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter #2
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

    C:\Users\Administrator.DESIGN>



     
    matttt897, Apr 18, 2009
    #24
  5. That's a good start.

    "Ethernet adapter Internet" shows as disconnected. Right click on it, and
    disable it, please.

    Why did you choose the 192.168.0.0 range? The internal range where your
    clients are was the 192.168.16.0 range, wasn't it. They won't be able to
    access the server now.

    How about the SBS? Was anything changed on it? Is the NIC on the 2008
    plugged into the same switch as the NIC on the SBS' 192.168.0.0 NIC?

    Did you uncheck the Link Layer objects in NIC properties on the 2008?

    Did you disable IPv6 on the SBS?

    After you make these changes, can you post an updated ipconfig /all of both
    the 2008 and SBS boxes, please?

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 18, 2009
    #25
  6. Hello matttt897,

    The physical network setup sounds good now, all machines to the switch and
    the rotuer connected to the switch also. So no double ip configuration is
    needed.

    You have to choose one ip range for the LAN, either on the servers fixed
    with 192.168.16.x or 192.168.0.x. And the DHCP scope ofcourse using the same
    subnet for the client's. Think that is now the problem to connect with the
    SBS machine.

    Additional disable all unused NIC's with rightclick on them.

    After changing also the SBS with the ip's a new ipconfig /all from the SBS
    and the 2008 and a client would be fine.

    Also configure the other machine on the DNS server's NIC as secondary until
    the SBS is removed.

    Best regards

    Meinolf Weber


     
    Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS], Apr 18, 2009
    #26
  7. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Ok So i disabled the extra adapters best I could. As said before, the new box
    is looking at itself for DNS. Also, on the old box I disabled the bluetooth
    adapter and the other adapter as well and have it pointing to the new box for
    DNS (192.168.0.100). On both machines I have internet access however the new
    box will not pickup any user names from the old box even though it is
    connected. I'll provide the ipconfig /all for the new box as thats what i'm
    on now, and will post the sbs box seperately right after.

    Could I possibly have the DNS server setup....incorrectly?

    new box ipconfig

    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
    Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    C:\Users\Administrator.DESIGN>ipconfig /all

    Windows IP Configuration

    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : WIN-WUBW7OCSGZN
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : design.com
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : design.com

    Ethernet adapter Internet:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family
    PCI-E
    Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0)
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1C-C0-B5-97-D5
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100(Preferred)
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:23:14 PM
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, April 19, 2009 6:18:05 PM
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
    NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 8:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

    C:\Users\Administrator.DESIGN>
     
    matttt897, Apr 18, 2009
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  8. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Ok heres the ipconfig for SBS. I have figured out however, that even though
    this is the setup which is best.....I realized that I don't have internet
    access when the DNS is set the way it is. I had to make it blank in order to
    get back online.

    Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
    (C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.

    C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig /all

    Windows IP Configuration

    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : design.com
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : design.com

    Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-72-3D-8D-A4
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.101
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100

    Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::ffff:ffff:fffd%7
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
    NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

    Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : C0-A8-00-65
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.0.101%2
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
    fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
    fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
    NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

    C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>

     
    matttt897, Apr 18, 2009
    #28
  9. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Disregard the internet comment. I found the DNS server service has shutdown.
    I have since restarted it and now active directory is populated. I believe
    however it is only populated because the other machine is still connected.

     
    matttt897, Apr 18, 2009
    #29
  10. Hello Matt,

    I hope you are enjoying your weekend. Don't let this cut too much into your
    drinking time! (A little saying among our friends!)

    Anyway, I am not sure why IPv6 is enabled on an SBS 2003 box. This is
    disabled by default. Someone would have had to install it manually, but I'm
    not sure why, but that doesn't matter. Let's uninstall it off the SBS,
    PLEASE, as we'be previously asked. The way to do it, is open a command
    prompt, and type in the following, then restart the machine:

    netsh interface ipv6 uninstall

    As for no internet access, what do you mean by making it blank? You mean
    removing the DNS address from the NIC? Is there a Root zone created in DNS
    under the Forward Lookup Zone? If so, please delete it. If not, then let's
    get the IPv6 removed and restarted first before going further with this.

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 18, 2009
    #30
  11. Looking better.

    As for this statement:
    On both machines I have internet access however the new
    Do you mean when you open up Active Directory Users and Computers, (ADUC)
    you do not see the users in the ADUC console? If this is not what you mean,
    can you elaborate, please.

    Keep in mind, each DC has a copy of the database, so there is no reason why
    one DC would "look" at another DC for the AD database.

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 18, 2009
    #31
  12. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Are you kidding, if anything i'm killing your microsoft party. I'm going to
    have a drink, and maybe share one with the ol' machine over here, considering
    shes not doing so good anyway :)

    Just to clarify I do have internet on both machines. The DNS server service
    crapped out before on the new machine and it started right back up no
    problems. The configuration has both machines looking at the dns server
    192.168.0.100 which is the new box. I understand it shouldn't be looking for
    that other computer...but it keeps doing it. Just now i unhooked the old box
    to test once again and I can't open up active directory without a warning of
    naming information not being located because the specified domain either does
    not exist or could not be contacted.

    I removed ipv6 as instructed from the command prompt from the SBS machine.
    Also I checked into the DNS server under foward lookup zones and have the
    following:
    _msdcs.design.com type: active directory integrated primary
    design.com type: active directory integrated primary

    After reconnecting the old box.....it still repopulates everything like
    nothing is wrong.






     
    matttt897, Apr 19, 2009
    #32
  13. Hello matttt897,

    The 2008 has again DHCP enabled, please set a fixed ip address. And as said
    before configure the secondary DNS on the NIC to the SBS machine.

    The DHCP server should not be used from the router, it should be the SBS
    machine.

    Best regards

    Meinolf Weber


     
    Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS], Apr 19, 2009
    #33
  14. Hello matttt897,

    The SBS should also use itself as preferred on the NIC and the 2008 as secondary.
    Until your connectivity is not properly do not use the 2008 only.

    Best regards

    Meinolf Weber


     
    Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS], Apr 19, 2009
    #34
  15. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Well, i'm thinking.......should i maybe stop or pause the SBS DNS server?
    Delete the one on the new machine and recreate it? Maybe its just something
    that hasn't transfered over properly?
     
    matttt897, Apr 19, 2009
    #35
  16. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Actually, i went into the new box's DNS server and clicked on foward zones,
    the sub zone of design.com and it its saying the zone not loaded by DNS
    server. I can't even get my new machine to populate the active directory now.
    Any last resort ideas? i don't want to nuke this thing, but i'm seriously
    considering it

     
    matttt897, Apr 19, 2009
    #36

  17. I wound up having a few Sam Adams and shots of Crown Special Reserve. Tasty!

    Back to work...
    As Meinolf's been repeatedly saying, please make the first DNS entry itself,
    and the other server as the second one on each server.

    Disable the DHCP service on your router. I thought this was done awhile
    back?

    The zones look correct. What values do you see under the design.com zone for
    the following:
    (same as parent)
    server
    WIN-WUBW7OCSGZN

    And under _msdcs.design.com, there is a folder called "_gc" - what IP
    addresses do you see?

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 19, 2009
    #37

  18. NO. It needs to be running.

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 19, 2009
    #38
  19. Look in the event viewer. Post any errors from any of the logs, please. Post
    the EventID# and Source name for each error.

    Also post an updated ipconfig /all from each, please. Also post one from a
    workstation.

    Thanks,
    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer], Apr 19, 2009
    #39
  20. matttt897

    matttt897 Guest

    Sure thing, i'm getting a whole slew of NETLOGON errors 5774SBs box also i'm
    getting dns-server-service error 6525,6522 repeatedly. Also i'm getting a
    warning from the same source 6004 "the dns server recieved a zone transfer
    request from 192.168.0.101(SBS box) for a non-existant or non-authoritative
    zone design.com"


    On the SBS box I can access active directory ok, however the DNS foward
    looking - design.com has changed. It went from showing all the machines on
    the network down to
    same as parent folder
    same as parent foler
    server
    On the new box, design.com is not listed at all. I suppose this is whats
    keeping my active directory from populating.
    Microsoft Windows [Version 5.2.3790]
    (C) Copyright 1985-2003 Microsoft Corp.

    C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>ipconfig /all

    Windows IP Configuration

    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : server
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : design.com
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : design.com

    Ethernet adapter Server Local Area Connection:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-72-3D-8D-A4
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.101
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
    192.168.0.101

    New box
    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
    Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    C:\Users\Administrator.DESIGN>ipconfig /all

    Windows IP Configuration

    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : WIN-WUBW7OCSGZN
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : design.com
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : design.com

    Ethernet adapter Internet:

    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family
    PCI-E
    Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0)
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-1C-C0-B5-97-D5
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
    IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100(Preferred)
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:27:55 PM
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, April 20, 2009 11:13:35 AM
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.100
    192.168.0.101
    NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

    Tunnel adapter Local Area Connection* 8:

    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . :
    isatap.{8B198D86-FB27-46A1-BC63-FAD3E0A4A
    EAF}
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

    C:\Users\Administrator.DESIGN>

    Xp machine
     
    matttt897, Apr 19, 2009
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