Most thoroughly tested Microsoft Software ever?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by jmathers, Feb 23, 2007.

  1. jmathers

    jmathers Guest

    Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?
    Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
    support issues these daze.
    I can not believe that Visual Studio 2005 SP1 behaves the way it does
    in Vista; its a joke. Yeah, I know, there's a Beta patch for Vista
    users; and why would I apply anything Beta from Microsoft, when the
    production/live stuff doesn't work worth a crap. Currently I am dead
    in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all because I
    decided to upgrade to Vista. Wish I could get my money back. Funny
    thing is, I downloaded and ran the Vista upgrade advisor program that
    was supposed to tell me about these issues. Never reported a single
    issue until I actually started the upgrade process, then it told me
    that I needed to uninstall a number of programs. Visual Studio wasn't
    one of them. THe upgrade advisor never told me that the upgrade was
    going to throw away my current printer drivers, because there are no
    supported drivers for a printer I bought 1 year ago. HP has told me
    they will support the printer, it might be a while though. I guess
    everybody was in the dark here about when people might actually need
    this stuff.

    Its great to see all the old problems I used to experience, suddenly
    reappear. Like clicking on the recycle bin, emptying the trash, but
    the list stays there, although it says it emptied the trash.

    Is the UAC for real? I would imagine 99.9% of the users have turned
    this crap off. Is it OK to do this on virtually everything you try
    and do. I feel like my mother is watching and approving everything I
    do.

    Are users expected to debug the few gadgets that are out there? I
    have downloaded several of these and end up with errors when I reboot,
    asking me if I want to debug... Why the heck would I want a Weather
    gadget that never seems to update. What am I supposed to do with this
    debug information; maybe actually fix the Gadget? I know what
    happened; the people who worked on the OS also wrote some Gadgets!

    I'm not sure how to fix the IE message "The current web page is trying
    to open a site in your trusted sites" message. Jeez, I am on a
    Microsoft web site trying to look at the Gadgets. Love the navigation
    there also. I am looking for the new stuff, so maybe selecting last
    record and working backwards will work; NOT.

    I want names and numbers for the people responsible for this atrocity
    called Vista!
     
    jmathers, Feb 23, 2007
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    Paul Smith Guest

    There were five million downloads of the pre-release builds. May be you
    should of downloaded it too, and give your feedback before it went RTM?

    --
    Paul Smith,
    Yeovil, UK.
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
    http://www.windowsresource.net/

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    Paul Smith, Feb 23, 2007
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    jmathers Guest

    Yeah I heard Bill say that too. So your saying that five million
    people never reported any problems? Lets see, I guess they didn't do
    any development work, or empty their trash, or try printing anything
    or try using any Gadgets. I know, I should have done a clean
    install, and this is what is causing all my problems. I guess no one
    truly understands what a clean install means for some people.
     
    jmathers, Feb 23, 2007
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  4. The testers didn't try it on YOUR computer. YOU could have! Then you could
    have contributed.

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    Richard Urban
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    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, Feb 23, 2007
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  5. What I've seen of the testers based on the release version of Vista, I
    think most "testers" would have trouble walking and chewing gum at the
    same time.
     
    Adam Albright, Feb 23, 2007
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    Dale Guest

    Shane Nokes
    You installed a new OS on a production development box without checking the
    MSDN newsgroups to see if it would work? Are you familiar with
    msdn.microsoft.com? It has been all over there for months.
    You can
    And I cannot imagine that a developer would do an upgrade rather than a
    clean install.
    Yep. You got 'em on that one. Score: Them 3, you .005
    Read the posts. Decide for yourself. You either want security or you
    don't. They give you the option.
    Gadgets aren't critical development tools - at least any gadgets I have seen
    so far. *shrug*.. skip them if they don't work. Even on a home pc used for
    surfing or whatever else, they're optional. You can disable them.
    1-800-Microsoft. Mr. Bill Gates.
     
    Dale, Feb 23, 2007
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    Conor Guest

    THe great unwashed who downloaded BETA1/2/RC1/RC2 and who barely have a
    clue how to turn on a fucking PC, let alone file a bug report but
    because their STOLEN version of XP was screaming WGA warnings at them,
    they decided to try this new Windoze.
     
    Conor, Feb 23, 2007
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  8. Unfortunately, testing and "contributing" aren't all they're cracked up to
    be.

    To the best of my knowledge, and throughout all OS betas since Win95, MS
    ignores "contributions" from testers at times.
    More often than will -ever- be admitted to here.
    Back then they called it "works as expected" - now they simply write off
    problems by saying it's "by design".
    Same problem, different dismissal is all.

    But same now as then, once they close an issue, they will no longer discuss
    it - sometimes without explanation.

    MS is a business, a monopolostic behemoth, and they are in it to make money.
    Consumer input is not exactly priority #1.
     
    john - no not that one, Feb 23, 2007
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    mikeyhsd Guest

    like your self, a self proclaimed EXPERIENCED user who upgraded a production system without testing it first.

    whine, whine, whine.

    @sport.rr.com

    What I've seen of the testers based on the release version of Vista, I
    think most "testers" would have trouble walking and chewing gum at the
    same time.
     
    mikeyhsd, Feb 23, 2007
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    Zim Babwe Guest

    You are a developer and rushed to upgrade to Vista without going through the
    newsgroups looking for issues on VS 2005 before upgrading? I have a machine
    that has Vista on it (a test machine) but my work machine has XP and VS 2005
    because I know it works. Yes, I have applied the patch to VS, but VS
    doesn't behave properly so I can't rely on it for my day to day work.

    If you had looked at the microsoft.public.dotnet.general or languages.vb
    forums, you would see the postings regarding Vista and VS 2005. Keep your
    Vista disk until they release SP1 and do a clean install of XP so you can
    get back to work. There are too many issues to stay with Vista right now.
     
    Zim Babwe, Feb 23, 2007
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    Robert Firth Guest

    You are insulting many people that are here to help. I don't think that is
    necessary.

    I reported all the problems I had, and now I don't have those problems
    anymore. I have drivers for all my devices and they seem to be decent. It is
    very stable on my system. I won't say that it will absolutely work on your
    system because some manufacturers are not providing compatible drivers and
    programs.

    It is only 3 weeks after the launch of a new operating system. While it
    seems like a long time and developers really had time before launch to get
    ready, that is the reality. Those companies are slow to react. Vista
    provides an excellent base for Microsoft to work on for future releases,
    especially now since programmers will have extra incentive to follow proper
    programming practices to not break compatibility now that Microsoft is
    enforcing least privilege programs.

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    * Robert Firth *
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    Robert Firth, Feb 23, 2007
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    Shane Nokes Guest

    I was only one of the testers ;)

    There were tons of us working on this.

    Even with that said, Vista is going to have issues until SP1, no arguments
    there.

    How many of those issues reside with MS and how many reside with HW
    manufacturers is up for debate.

    Vista is not perfect, nor will any OS be.

    Remember they just made a huge jump in the number of people using the OS.
    New issues are bound to come up.
     
    Shane Nokes, Feb 23, 2007
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  13. "I am dead in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all because
    I decided to upgrade to Vista"
    Really?
    You installed something new on your computer without adequately testing or
    researching beforehand?
    Developers I know would do it differently and they do.

    The Upgrade Advisor is just that an advisor.
    No one should make more of that or other similar tools than there is.
    You also needed to do appropriate research based on your specific needs.

    "I guess everybody was in the dark here"
    Not really, however some hardware manufacturers have done more than others.
    If the printer is important, why didn't you verify Vista compatibility with
    HP before upgrading.

    UAC is for real and it works very well.
    Once I had my computer setup, I rarely see UAC.
    Disable UAC while you set up the computer.
    Then once done, reenable UAC.
    However some, relatively few, have legitimate reasons to disable UAC.

    "Wish I could get my money back."
    Very easy, return it to the seller.
    If you live in North America, you can return vista directly to Microsoft if
    the seller does not accept returns.
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Feb 23, 2007
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    John Butler Guest

    Jupiter

    I think you may have missed the point. There is a Catch 22 here!

    We have hundreds of Windows XP installations. Like many with a large number
    of PC's we are going to wait and see how Vista goes, at present it does not
    offer any value for money. We certainly will not buy it this year.

    All users are distrustful of going to Vista because XP Pro is a well
    understood and reliable system. Yet if lots of users hold off until Vista is
    "mature" how will Microsoft get the feedback to improve it?

    Perhaps Windows has reached the end of its development and Microsoft can not
    really improve it much, and just float new versions to keep their cash
    flowing in?

    Think of the car manufacturers in a similar situation who mostly
    disappeared.

    John Butler
     
    John Butler, Feb 23, 2007
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    Grant Guest

    Admit it you had to buy new hardware didn't you!
     
    Grant, Feb 24, 2007
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    Tony Guest

    Do you spammers have a life?
     
    Tony, Feb 25, 2007
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    Tony Guest

    This is the answer, fat morons like this who sit in front of there computer
    all day writing B.S. essays about there life story in a technical support
    forum.
     
    Tony, Feb 25, 2007
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    Peter Flindt Guest

    What make me really sucks when I hear something about Linux?

    philosophic:
    -When I read essays like this, very curio but I can't confirm only one of
    this issues, I guess a lot of this posting is the result of hear some
    problems from other peoples.
    -Why I can read this essays? I am a little bit surprised at this point. Why
    these peoples install MS products if Linux is perfect?
    -I hear the same grouse from Linux fans against MS products since over ten
    years, and no, sorry, they come always with the same arguments, only a few
    companies write linuxsoftware or hardwaredrivers, but please be serious,
    since ten years? AND why I can find a lot of software/driver for MACs from
    the same companies? Somnething other must be wrong with Linux<=>companies in
    my opinion, the market increase since this ten years and no more support?
    They should ask why...
    -Some of the security arguments why Linux SHOULD be better, is in my opinon
    Linux on his own, who nerd realy want to write "bad software" for Linux?
    No-one use it..., I am sure, imagine that 45% use Windows 45% use Linux 10%
    MAC/others, in this case security<=>Linuy must be new defined.

    technical:
    -Linux is ONE OS? Which distru I should use? Which package from which distru
    I can/should install on my distru? Why there are so many diffrents? That
    make the things not realy easier for new users.
    -I am to dumb and layz for Linux, I want an easy system, but I want NOT
    fiddle around with a texteditor in some setting files, it's nice to see that
    I adjust Linux better for my needs, but why I MUST do this sometimes?
    -In this software I must click here to do some things in another software I
    must click at a completly other location to do the same things. I miss some
    standards for the GUI sometimes.
    -Yes I know the following argument is not realy against Linux, but I have
    this problem only with Linux... I can recived nearly any kind of files from
    my friends with windows and can read it or do some thing with it, but Linux?
    When someone send me an excel sheet I must reboot it and read it in
    MS-Office, because OpenOffice scramble the tables completly. Yes I know this
    is not primary a problem for Linux, because why this friend not send me an
    OpenOffice table, but I always find a software/viewer/program if someone
    send me a Linux specific file and I can open it in windows, but the other
    direction?

    -I could write more things why I have mot installed Linux on my system, but
    I stop here...

    Peter
     
    Peter Flindt, Feb 25, 2007
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  19. Linux is better u pisshead
     
    Christian Niehaus, Feb 25, 2007
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  20. Linux is better u pisshead


    Get a job.
     
    William C. Clay, Feb 25, 2007
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