MSFT Drinking Same Cool Aid as West Wing

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006.

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    Chad Harris Guest

    MSFT is staying the course despite all clinical signs on the ground just as
    its native country is doing so with 3 billion spent a week and a total
    fiasco beyond all imagined proportions. Both are trying to do an incredible
    selling job of black as white.,39020330,39283752,00.htm

    For one arena we have Woodward's book and the contorted posturing to deny
    the trainwreck in the war to preserve oil addiction in the United States

    Redmond is conducting a parallel state of denial--and by the way the Upgrade
    Advisor is patently wrong in many many hardware assessment situations--just
    flat out wrong in saying drivers will not work and that hardware will not
    run Vista superbly and exremely fast and faster on the same box than XP.

    Maybe Condi Rice now caught in scores of lies and totally out of her depth
    should work with Sinofsky and Brad Goldberg--they'd be comfortable in
    selling delusions.

    News > Software > Windows Tuesday 3rd October 2006

    Microsoft predicts Vista stampede

    Joris Evers
    October 02, 2006, 08:50 BST

    Tell us your opinion

    Software giant claims businesses will rush to upgrade to Vista,
    but analysts paint a different picture

    Microsoft is predicting that Windows Vista will be adopted by
    companies twice as fast as its predecessor, Windows XP.

    Twelve months after the release of Vista, Microsoft expects that
    usage share of the oft-delayed operating system in businesses will be double
    that of XP a year after it shipped, said Brad Goldberg, general manager for
    Windows product management at the software maker.

    "Vista is built for businesses," Goldberg said. "We're giving
    businesses the tools they need to get out of the gate faster with Vista...
    Our goal is to have twice as fast deployment of Vista than for any other
    operating system."

    Microsoft declined to give its own figures on Windows XP's usage
    percentages, and instead referred to research by IDC. According to the
    analyst company, XP was installed on about 10 percent of enterprise PCs
    after a year. That would put the goal for Vista at 20 percent.

    "For them to do 20 percent in the first 12 months of
    availability is almost impossible," said Al Gillen, an analyst at IDC. "They
    have done all the right things, but adoption is going to be driven by
    corporate adoption and deployment cycles, more so than by whether Microsoft
    has greased the skids to make the product glide in faster."

    IDC expects a healthy adoption of Vista, Gillen said. "But we're
    not expecting it to be fundamentally different from previous releases of
    Windows," he said. IDC's projections suggest that 11 percent of business PCs
    that run Windows will be running Vista at the end of next year, Gillen said.

    Rival analyst company Gartner expects the installed base of
    Vista in large enterprises to be about 10 percent a year and a half after it
    ships. "We're not hearing companies say they're in a rush to get their users
    to Vista," said Gartner analyst Michael Silver.

    Vista, the first major upgrade to Windows since XP shipped in
    late 2001, is slated to become available to businesses in November. Broad
    availability is scheduled for January.

    Help and hindrance
    Microsoft has said that corporate adoption of Windows XP was
    slower than it would have liked.

    XP was slow to gain traction among enterprise customers, in part
    because it came on the heels of Windows 2000, Goldberg said. Additionally,
    Microsoft was late with tools to support its adoption. For example, a kit to
    test the compatibility of applications with XP was released nine months
    after the operating system, and documented deployment guidance took two
    years, he said.

    With Vista, those tools, as well as people trained to help
    businesses move to the Windows update, will be available as soon as it ships
    or shortly thereafter, Goldberg said.

    Furthermore, Vista should make it easier and cheaper for
    organisations to manage PCs that run the new operating system, Goldberg
    said. "Vista has business customers at the centre of everything we've done,"
    he said. "In some cases, it will be cheaper for an organisation to upgrade
    to Vista than to keep their current configuration."

    Microsoft has addressed many of the key adoption blockers, but
    that alone isn't enough, Silver said. A lot will hinge on the availability
    of third-party software that supports the update. "That's the biggest
    inhibitor to deploying a lot of Vista very soon after it ships," he said.

    One Microsoft customer plans to upgrade to Vista at a pace even
    quicker than its maker predicts — but not for the sake of getting a new
    operating system. Instead, the operating system will come in as part of its
    upgrade cycle for computers.

    "When we replace our PCs, they will run Vista, and we will
    replace a third of our PCs over the next year," said Thomas Smith, the
    manager of client services at a large Houston company.

    Smith, who is responsible for about 9,000 PCs, doesn't buy
    Microsoft's argument that Vista is cheaper to run.

    "It takes more hardware, the learning curve is costly, the help
    desk calls are going to escalate, we'll have to manage both XP and Vista, I
    think you're actually going to increase cost, at least in the short term,"
    he said.

    Time will tell. Stay the course with the actual Beta 1 that is going to RTM
    in 21 days. In case after case, MSFT Vista team members have been directly
    emailed major bugs and they pretend ***not to see them.

    They won't get fixed come Sp1 either. It must be wonderful to be able to
    sustain such arrogance while Rome burns.

    Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006
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    Rock Guest

    What a load of crap.
    Rock, Oct 3, 2006
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    Dan W. Guest

    I agree with you on this Rock and it seems to be that Microsoft is
    trying hard to do what is right in the case of Vista. I have been
    continually reporting issues with Vista to Microsoft and have been on
    the telephone several times with talks about Vista.
    Dan W., Oct 3, 2006
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    PNutts Guest


    I hope so! I prefer that they spend their time fixing bugs that were
    submitted via the authorized process instead of being distracted with direct

    For those that choose to give Paul Thurrott credibility, he reports that
    Vista had 2479 bugs on 9/22, over 1400 bugs at this time, and will have 500
    or fewer before RTM (see link below). If true, the developers *are* hard at
    work and on track.
    PNutts, Oct 3, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    They have received a number of problems with a quintissential tin ear
    pretending they didn't hear about them as a matter of fact with about 19
    days to go to RTM and a hastily thrown out RC2 in 3.

    They continue to block access to their "public customers" and so-called
    CPPers to any meaningful bug information on Connect--that's how concerned
    with feedback they are.

    And Dan you have had conversations on precisely what that you have ID'd and
    the fixes have been precisely what. The devil is in the details.

    Reading your syncophantic accolade gives no clue as to what you got fixed,
    modded or innovated at Redmond as to 22 or so days and counting RTM Vista.

    I hear "doing the right thing" a lot with the stay the course lemmings as to
    Iraq with disastrous results.

    Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Articulate as it was elegant Rock. But I have lots of MVP company mah man
    and lots of analysis to support me--and I linked many of them previously.
    Not just as to unrealistic sales projections of the slide I'm looking
    at--but feature by feature. It's not my job to sell Vista. I'm more
    interested in what's shipping.

    Needs 6 more months at least just to CPR the broken features left not to
    mention the ones on the cutting room floor--ain't gonna get it.

    Yo Rock crank up that Device Manager and tell me why I can trash several of
    your drivers and it will still say they are A-okay? Cause Dev Manager
    birthed with the Windows '95 Launch on August 25, 1995. So would it have
    been rushing any Windoz teams to fix Device Manager by 10/3/06? Jist

    And the fact that Office 2007 on Vista and on XP sometimes has to
    re-mini-install --that's going to impress a lot of enterpise and small
    businesses fer sure?

    Or perhaps you meant how splendidly organized the Iraq affair is with
    Bremmer now all over TV saying that he was stupid for doing what he did but
    Rummy and Condi made him?

    Or the now serial clips of Condi on a split screen calling her self a she
    said she said liar?

    It's only 3000 dead Iraquis per month and 3 billion dollars a week and how
    about that graph of deaths by the insurgency growing exponentially from
    2002-2006 or is that graft by Kellogg-Brown-Root?

    Oil Graft Fuels the Insurgency, Iraq and U.S. Say

    State of Denial: Bush at War, Part III (Hardcover)


    A big shoutout for Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell who have no skin
    in the game who are dynamically and insightfully pushing "stay the course"
    with other peoples' children--you non-sistahs is doin' Seattle proud.
    Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    PNutts lol--

    Pretty nebulous.

    The exact same refers to authorized bug processes. I know all of them as
    well if not better than you do TBT or non-TBT--and I'm willing to bet I've
    been a part of as many.

    And they were so interested in their public program that they hid the chats,
    the Live Meetings, bug access on Connnect--and I can show you scores of TBT
    messages where they are frustrated and ticked off that their bug reports
    were ignored or closed with no resolution as by design when things are
    shipping broken.

    Let me know how fast you see Device Manager fixed--cause it ain't gonna
    happen this side of Blackcomb/Vienna if then according to the device and
    driver related teams.

    Device Manager is that little utility that purports to tell you a driver is
    working but doesn't. Check it out some day--devmgmt.msc in your run

    Check the chat on that several months ago since you're so familiar with the

    No one said developers including scores of outsiders debugging Vista aren't
    hard at work--but a lot of serious Windows authors say they aren't on track
    and what's shipping is horrendous compared to what it could have been and
    ought to be.

    Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006
  8. If you have something relevant to say, keep it reasonably on topic.
    If you can not stay on topic, your true motive is apparent..

    There is no reason to bring politics to this newsgroup.
    The comparison is a feeble attempt to interject your politics into this non
    political newsgroup.

    The drivers you refer, are they designed specifically for Windows XP?
    If not, that is the reason, use at your own risk and the user can blame no
    one but himself if there are issues.

    Your intermittent use of quotes makes it difficult to know what you wrote
    and what are quotes from others.
    Can we ASSUME anything not in quotes is your own rants?
    That would be the general understanding if you wrote correctly.

    Get rid of the irrelevant politics and post back or continue on your path to
    be marked a troll with off topic posts.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 3, 2006
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    jwardl Guest

    Tell it to somebody who cares.

    jwardl, Oct 3, 2006
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    jwardl Guest

    Agreed. There are plenty of political groups and blogs to rant about
    whichever side of the fence you prefer. This ain't one of them.
    jwardl, Oct 3, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    The analogies are relevant and that's why they come in. It must pain an
    AFB retired to see the waste and complete lies in Iraq which are killing
    Canadians as well.

    Make no mistake this is not confined to drivers that are not XP approved and
    written and if an MVP is realizing for the first time that Device Manager
    has been broken since birth, than I'm delighted to educate you Jupiter.

    The Device/Driver personnel including Richard Dominguez [MSFT] on the
    intutivively named Core Storage/Audio/Biometrics team agreed with me this
    exists and that they can't fix it. Look it up on the Beta Chats 2006. MSFT
    is not bright enough to post the chats in one convenient place where they
    can be retrieved.

    If I were you I'd come off the idea that you can mark anyone as anything
    because you believe it. Right now I'm helping easily as much as you are in
    this group and many others. The MVP has given you delusions of granduer.
    Many people sign with quotes expressing their opiions, and what I do is no

    "Stay the course and remain in denial over device manager and many other
    broken components of Vista. A lot of the MVPs are syncophants. They like
    that trip to Redmond--the illusion that they are the chosen intelligentsia
    with the only and all the answers, and that MSFT can do no wrong. But ranks
    have sure been broken on the crappy job done thus far with Vista and the
    dropping of standards to ship crap in a box soon.

    MSKB work arounds are no substitute for fixing things prior to RTM and there
    are a litinany of things they can't fix or need more competent personnel to
    get the job done.

    Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Obviously. It's apathetic individuals like you that get a crap Vista and
    endless killing. Have you found anyone on the planet that takes your
    orders, cause it ain't here. Stay the course. LOL

    State of Denial: Bush at War, Part III (Hardcover)

    July 31, 2006 - 4:44 pm Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time
    by Ed Bott Author of Microsoft Press Windows Vista Inside Out (900 thousand
    snd counting pre-sold to date
    due January or if the Vista team coordinators get a brain that has common
    sense in any of its lobes, perhaps in Spring 2007))
    Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time

    Perillo's Critique After Allchin Interview and Request from Allchin

    Robert [McLaws] and Robert[Scoble] Duh!

    McLaws is Right on Windows Ship Date
    July 31, 2006
    Robert Scoble MSFT's Most Well Known Blogger on the Planet
    VB MVP
    MSDN Radio 9 Film Maker

    Windows Vista Lipstick on a Pig

    Groundswell of MSFT MVPs and Major Book Authors --Yo Wakeup Redmond Campus
    Vista Teams--Take the several months you need to get this turkey out of
    intensive care
    or it will die.

    Vista Needs More Time: The Entry I Didn't Want To Write

    Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    I'm hardly the Long Ranger. Many MVPs have analyzed Broken Vista. Continue
    to be a MSFT syncophant and wear the Blinders if that's what you have to do
    to get the MVP and the once a year gifts and the illuson you're steering the

    July 31, 2006 - 4:44 pm Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time
    by Ed Bott Author of Microsoft Press Windows Vista Inside Out (900 thousand
    snd counting pre-sold to date

    due January or if the Vista team coordinators get a brain that has common
    sense in any of its lobes, perhaps in Spring 2007))
    Robert's right: Windows Vista needs more time

    Perillo's Critique After Allchin Interview and Request from Allchin

    Robert [McLaws] and Robert[Scoble] Duh!

    McLaws is Right on Windows Ship Date
    July 31, 2006
    Robert Scoble MSFT's Most Well Known Blogger on the Planet
    VB MVP
    MSDN Radio 9 Film Maker

    Windows Vista Lipstick on a Pig

    Groundswell of MSFT MVPs and Major Book Authors --Yo Wakeup Redmond Campus
    Vista Teams--Take the several months you need to get this turkey out of
    intensive care
    or it will die.

    Vista Needs More Time: The Entry I Didn't Want To Write

    Stay the Course/Keep up the Denial.

    State of Denial: Bush at War, Part III (Hardcover)

    Chad Harris, Oct 3, 2006
  14. What a useless rant.
    You have many assumptions and not all are true.
    But we already know what often happens when we assume as you have...

    Keep the irrelevant politics out of here, this is NOT the place .
    If politics is the only way you can give an analogy, you need to take off
    the blinders so you see a little more.

    I made no mistake, but your ASSUMPTIONS may have mistakenly led you to that

    Jupiter Jones [MVP]

    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 3, 2006
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    Rock Guest

    In the first place your political views don't belong in this newsgroup.

    Second I recollect you coming into windowsxp.general and ranting about MS.
    I don't remember exactly what it was all about, but this current rant of
    yours I characterize as new time, new place, same old Chad.
    Rock, Oct 4, 2006
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    Rock Guest


    Still pursuing your own personal agenda, eh? What happened, did you get
    snubbed somewhere along the way?
    Rock, Oct 4, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Rock you projecting now as well? LOL

    I'll match my help on here to yours any day.

    Chad Harris, Oct 4, 2006
  18. Rock;
    Is this the same that ranted a while back that Microsoft should open the
    private chats and newsgroups because he felt they were under utilized by the
    Beta testers?
    If so, this is the same that came across to me as jealous was not a beta
    If so, your comment about agenda is right on.
    That individual clearly had no understanding of the Beta process.

    Now he seems to be fixating on comparing the help he does with others almost
    as if it is a competition.
    I doubt he understands at all.
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], Oct 4, 2006
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    Rock Guest

    I was wondering how long it would take you to drop to that argument - you
    always do - it seems - your protective blanket. My big brother can beat
    up your big brother grade school kind of thing.

    Why do you think that answering questions confers upon you some aura of
    greatness? That it thus provides justification for your rants? Why jump on
    Dan's post? You're beef isn't with him, yet you feel compelled to do so.

    Sometimes I wonder if there isn't some underlying element of manic
    depressive illness.

    Whatever is being projected comes from your looking in the mirror.
    Rock, Oct 4, 2006
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    Rock Guest

    Yes it's one and the same poster.
    Rock, Oct 4, 2006
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