MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by MowGreen [MVP], Dec 9, 2008.

  1. From: "Terry R." <>


    | Blackberry Professional for Exchange was installed on a server at a
    | network I admin. Java 5.11 was also installed. I updated to 6.11 and
    | the software wouldn't work! Why are they using versions so old?

    | --
    | Terry R.

    The idiots of these companies need to work off a centralized version of SUN Java and NOT
    the concept of installing old versions modified to their needs.
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 11, 2008
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  2. MowGreen [MVP]

    Leonard Grey Guest

    In the first place, I believe the word is /capisce/ but I'll defer to
    the Italians in the group.

    However you describe it, you have a bone to pick. No big deal...everyone
    has a bone to pick. But I don't post (or cross-post) to a public
    newsgroup to tell people to stop using any and all Zone Alarm products
    just because I disagree with the way Zone Alarm conducts its business.

    And even if I were so inclined, I would do it in a newsgroup for Zone Alarm.
    ---
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est
     
    Leonard Grey, Dec 11, 2008
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  3. From: "Leonard Grey" <>

    | In the first place, I believe the word is /capisce/ but I'll defer to
    | the Italians in the group.

    | However you describe it, you have a bone to pick. No big deal...everyone
    | has a bone to pick. But I don't post (or cross-post) to a public
    | newsgroup to tell people to stop using any and all Zone Alarm products
    | just because I disagree with the way Zone Alarm conducts its business.

    | And even if I were so inclined, I would do it in a newsgroup for Zone Alarm.
    | ---
    | Leonard Grey
    | Errare humanum est

    Except for the suspicions of a backdoor in ZoneAlarm inserted by (censored), it is
    intended to protect a PC.

    On the otherhand, SUN Java is responsible for *MANY* people being infected with malware
    due to they're overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 11, 2008
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  4. MowGreen [MVP]

    Leonard Grey Guest

    So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software
    ("responsible for *MANY* people being infected with malware
    due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.")

    On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft
    software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected
    by any type of malware.

    All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited, so
    let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out my
    soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started.
     
    Leonard Grey, Dec 11, 2008
    #24

  5. I'm not Italian, but I speak some Italian. Yes, your spelling is
    correct. It's the second person singular of the verb "capire." And, by
    the way, it's pronounced ka-PEE-shay.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Dec 11, 2008
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  6. I suppose that is a typical response in that forum. Too bad. Good thing
    that sort of thing never happens here (pick one).

    [snipped the SPAM]

    :eek:D
     
    FromTheRafters, Dec 12, 2008
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  7. MowGreen [MVP]

    ~BD~ Guest

    --

    I've snipped the SPAM too! ;)

    If you were to tell us the name of the organization for which you work I
    might better understand your general attitude, Mr Lipman.

    Does it have a web site to which I, and other readers, may refer? If so,
    maybe you should use it as a replacement signature. What do *you* think?

    BDave

    --
     
    ~BD~, Dec 12, 2008
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  8. A conformative reply in the Adobeforums would be like this one.

    No quoting (or very little).
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 12, 2008
    #28
  9. From: "~BD~" <>


    | If you were to tell us the name of the organization for which you work I
    | might better understand your general attitude, Mr Lipman.

    | Does it have a web site to which I, and other readers, may refer? If so,
    | maybe you should use it as a replacement signature. What do *you* think?

    | BDave

    My signature is fully conforming to Usenets standards as it is less that four lines long
    and URLs in signatures are not spam.

    The Adobeforums is semi-private. That is you must authenticate to post to the the
    Adobeforums (have and account and password). It is semi-private because it has a one-way
    propogation to Usenet. Posts and replys made at the Adobeforums propogate to Usenet.
    Posts and replys made on Usenet do not propogate back to the Adobeforums. Therefore they
    DO have the right to set limiting rules that are non conforming to Usenet standards.

    As to the organization for which I work...
    That's none of you f'n business and is NOT for public consumption, especially in an
    International forum. There are reasons why this *must* be done and I can't even explain
    why because it falls into the category of too much information.

    Yes, we have web sites. There are Wikis on us too. Some of "our" web sites are public.
    Other web sites you and other not in the "family" can not access, them even at the root
    level.
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 12, 2008
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  10. I've already filed a complaint about Comcast with the FCC which they are
    'still investigating' ;)

    capiche; ceviche ... one understands dead fish, sí ?


    MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
    ===============
    *-343-* FDNY
    Never Forgotten
    ===============
     
    MowGreen [MVP], Dec 12, 2008
    #30
  11. MowGreen [MVP]

    Leonard Grey Guest

    Si, si amigo ;-)
    ---
    Leonard Grey
    Errare humanum est
     
    Leonard Grey, Dec 13, 2008
    #31
  12. MowGreen [MVP]

    Anteaus Guest

    Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For
    some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has
    to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion
    to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every
    once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the
    system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.
     
    Anteaus, Dec 17, 2008
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  13. From: "Anteaus" <>

    | Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For
    | some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has
    | to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion
    | to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every
    | once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the
    | system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.

    This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday, in DOS, it was
    Terminate and Stay Redsident.
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 17, 2008
    #33
  14. I recall having a discussion long ago about trend GUI's had for the
    completely
    unnecessary, precious cycle stealing, animations being displayed during move
    or
    copy operations. It's just one of those things - a bigger garage ends up
    holding
    a greater amount of crap - in fact you would think that since it was
    apparenty
    *designed* to hold more crap, you are obliged to collect more just to make
    it
    happy. Beyond that, evidently, you opt in for a crap-preloaded (happy)
    garage
    and pay the installer to remove most of it.

    :eek:)
     
    FromTheRafters, Dec 17, 2008
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  15. MowGreen [MVP]

    Vadim Rapp Guest

    This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday,
    I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some
    practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of
    today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the
    "value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk
    supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception
    itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing
    idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed
    buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions.
    One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been
    licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist,
    and it's easy to figure out why.
     
    Vadim Rapp, Dec 18, 2008
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  16. MowGreen [MVP]

    Vadim Rapp Guest

    They believe it's good marketing. The interesting question is who is more
    stupid and who is paying whom - "value-added" vendors to the system
    integrator for allowing their junk into the system because they believe it's
    good marketing, or integrator to the vendors because it believes that the
    junk actually adds value to the system.
     
    Vadim Rapp, Dec 18, 2008
    #36
  17. | I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some
    | practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of
    | today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the
    | "value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk
    | supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception
    | itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing
    | idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed
    | buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions.
    | One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been
    | licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist,
    | and it's easy to figure out why.


    Nope. Its the same. Its a program "stub" in memoy.
     
    David H. Lipman, Dec 18, 2008
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