MVP Question

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Sunny, May 4, 2009.

  1. Sunny

    Sunny Guest

    Is this "person" a real MVP (The Real Truth http://pcbutts1) ?
    Sample of the ducking and weaving from a Usenet group post :
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Hey stupid newbie dipshit, I make over 10 posts per day in the MS
    newsgroups
    using my real name which is searchable on the MVP site and at least 10
    using
    The Real Truth which is not.

    --
    The Real Truth http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
    *WARNING* Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
    They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not
    waste
    your time.
    David H Lipman, Malke, PA Bear, Beauregard T. Shagnasty, Leythos.
     
    Sunny, May 4, 2009
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  2. Sunny

    Sunny Guest

    Not under another name ? (As claimed)
     
    Sunny, May 4, 2009
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  3. NO!
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 4, 2009
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  4. Sunny

    Sunny Guest

    Thanks, the clown seems to use your name, and others, in vain,
     
    Sunny, May 4, 2009
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  5. Is this "person" a real MVP (The Real Truth http://pcbutts1) ?

    You can find a list of all current MVPs at Microsoft's MVP site:

    https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx

    Most of the Vista MVPs are under the "Windows Desktop Experience" category,
    I think.

    The MVP award lasts for 12 months. If someone continues to get selected,
    they could remain an MVP for years on end. But if you drop your MVP, you
    disappear off the list. So former MVPs are not listed.

    Cheers,

    Andrew
    (former MVP :)
     
    Andrew McLaren, May 4, 2009
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  6. Sunny

    Bob Lucas Guest

    I asked a similar question several months ago. The responses
    revealed the proverbial can of worms.

    Barring forgeries, you can be reasonably sure that if a person is
    listed on the website, then that person is an MVP.

    However, the website at
    mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx only provides
    details of those MVPs that want to share their information
    publicly.

    As far as I am aware, there is no complete listing of current
    MVPs available to the public. Unfortunately, not all MVPs choose
    to share their information publicly - so even if a particular
    name does not appear on the listing, that person might still be
    an MVP.

    From a personal viewpoint, that is unfortunate, because it is far
    too easy for imposters to make false claims. Although I can
    appreciate why an individual might not want to publish any of
    his/her biographical details, it is difficult to understand why
    any contributor to a public newsgroup who claims to be an MVP
    might be unwilling to appear in a complete list of names.

    After all, I would be reluctant to accept advice or receive
    treatment from a person who claims to be a medical practitioner
    or other consultant, but is not listed by a relevant professional
    body. Why should advice from an MVP be any different?
     
    Bob Lucas, May 4, 2009
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  7. From: "Sunny" <>

    | Thanks, the clown seems to use your name, and others, in vain,

    That "clown" has impersonated PA Bear and myself on numerous occasions.
     
    David H. Lipman, May 4, 2009
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  8. Sunny

    Leythos Guest

    You should not trust ANY advice you get on Usenet, you should ALWAYS
    check it against other sources. One clear indication of a person/post to
    not trust is their history of being foul/nasty and including
    pornographic links in non-porn groups, like PCBUTTS has in the past.
     
    Leythos, May 4, 2009
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  9. Sunny

    Ron Badour Guest

    Bob,

    I have never understood why some folks don't want their MVP status
    known--maybe it is job related (works for a MS competitor); however, I
    suspect that these same folks never make a claim in the newsgroups that they
    are an MVP.

    --
    Regards

    Ron Badour
    MS MVP
    Windows Desktop Experience
     
    Ron Badour, May 4, 2009
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  10. Yes, that's right.

    The MVP programme is far from perfect. But in my experience, most genuine
    MVPs are willing - and indeed, greatly desire - to have their details openly
    published. So while the list is not a 100% guarantee, it's a pretty good
    guide.

    You'd have to wonder about any professional who doesn't want to stand
    publically identified and accountable. To continue your doctor analogy, it's
    like seeing a doctor who says to you "Sure, here's my medical degree - but
    I've liquid-papered over my name; I don't want to reveal my personal
    details". Would you trust such a doctor? Maybe, but ... uh, probably not :)

    The MVP programme works okay for the smaller product categories, like SQL
    Server or .NET. They're small enough, that everyone knows everyone else
    anyway. Windows Desktop doesn't scale quite so well, the scope is so huge:
    hundreds of millions of users, and hundreds of MVPs; there's not much real
    "community" apart from what is enforced by the technology. Microsoft is
    unlikely to spend more money improving MVP verification, unless there was
    some very tangible benefit; eg preventing serious abuse. A few clowns in
    newsgroups, pretending to be MVPs, doesn't quite meet that bar. It's risk
    mananagement ... perfection is very expensive; so they shoot for "near
    enough".
     
    Andrew McLaren, May 4, 2009
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  11. Sunny

    Leythos Guest

    And you would also have to wonder how a person claiming to be an MVP
    could post filthy comments, post links to Pornographic materials that
    they claim to have created, impersonate other members of the
    community...
     
    Leythos, May 4, 2009
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  12. Sunny

    Gordon Guest

    And have downloads on their site containing viruses.....
     
    Gordon, May 4, 2009
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  13. Sunny

    Bob Lucas Guest

    I wish that were so. However, when I scanned through recent
    contributions to this newsgroup, I quickly found one from a
    regular contributor who describes himself as "MS-MVP [Mail]".

    Based upon the quality of his contributions, I have little doubt
    that the gentleman is an MVP. However, a search against his name
    at https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx reports
    "No results were found for your search criteria".

    Surely, it should be possible to check a name against the
    definitive list of MVPs (even if an individual MVP does not want
    to disclose his biographical or other details). Furthermore, I
    would have no objection to the use of a pseudonym, if an MVP has
    a genuine reason for anonymity.

    Incidentally, I use Windows Live Mail as my Newsreader client
    program. WLMail includes some Community Features, which allow
    for a special icon to appear against contributions by MVPs.
    However, very few postings bear the icon.
     
    Bob Lucas, May 4, 2009
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  14. If a MVP doesn't wish to have any listing for any reason, it is a privacy
    thing that MS must honor. There are cases where that is so, to protect the
    MVP.

    And, if a known MVP or several known MVPs tell you someone is *not* a MVP,
    you can take it to the bank.

    As MVPs, we do in fact, know.

    Tom
    :
    :
    : : >> However, the website at
    : >> mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx only provides
    : >> details of those MVPs that want to share their information
    : >> publicly.
    : >
    : > Yes, that's right.
    : >
    : > The MVP programme is far from perfect. But in my experience,
    : > most genuine MVPs are willing - and indeed, greatly desire - to
    : > have their details openly published.
    : > [snipped]
    :
    : I wish that were so. However, when I scanned through recent
    : contributions to this newsgroup, I quickly found one from a
    : regular contributor who describes himself as "MS-MVP [Mail]".
    :
    : Based upon the quality of his contributions, I have little doubt
    : that the gentleman is an MVP. However, a search against his name
    : at https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/communities/mvp.aspx reports
    : "No results were found for your search criteria".
    :
    : Surely, it should be possible to check a name against the
    : definitive list of MVPs (even if an individual MVP does not want
    : to disclose his biographical or other details). Furthermore, I
    : would have no objection to the use of a pseudonym, if an MVP has
    : a genuine reason for anonymity.
    :
    : Incidentally, I use Windows Live Mail as my Newsreader client
    : program. WLMail includes some Community Features, which allow
    : for a special icon to appear against contributions by MVPs.
    : However, very few postings bear the icon.
    :
     
    Tom [Pepper] Willett, May 4, 2009
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  15. Sunny

    Rob Moir Guest

    But this (and the doctor analogy I've seen elsewhere) assumes that the MVP
    "stamp" means something other than the person who has it is a known
    contributor to the Microsoft support community, with a good record of
    helpful contributions. That isn't the case.

    I'm *not* knocking the MVPs because I was one myself for 8 years, but the
    presence of a MVP tag doesn't mean that advice is always going to be correct
    or is magically more valid than that of someone without the tag (If a
    Windows Vista "desktop" MVP posts in a SharePoint server newsgroup, they
    still have the MVP 'tag' even though they have no special qualifications in
    that area, right?). Some people who are MVPs choose not to identify
    themselves in newsgroups because they don't see the point, don't want the
    attention, or whatever.
    I was still a MVP when this ability to tag MVP posts in newsgroups and
    "rate" posts was first proposed by MS, and I remember 2 things from back
    then:
    1) Quite a lot of MVPs were against this tagging and rating for a number of
    reasons, for example, people tend to rate very good advice poorly just
    because it isn't what they *wanted* to hear... think about the patient who
    hates their doctor for "nagging" them to quit smoking.

    2) There were quite a few hoops to jump through to make these tags appear
    and work properly in the newsgroup interface. If this is still the case,
    then people may not want to jump through those hoops.

    Regards
    Rob
     
    Rob Moir, May 4, 2009
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  16. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." <w>
     
    PA Bear [MS MVP], May 4, 2009
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  17. Sunny

    Jim Guest

    No , s/he isn`t an MVP .
     
    Jim, May 4, 2009
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  18. Not quite all current MVPs. Note that the page states "The Microsoft
    MVP Awardee directory contains a listing of all the MVPs that want to
    share their information publicly."

    However, everyone can be assured that (The Real Truth http://pcbutts1)
    is *not* an MVP. He has been asked many times here to provide any
    evidence or support for his claim to be an MVP. He has never provided
    a shred of evidence or support.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, May 4, 2009
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  19. I'm with you entirely, however Microsoft respects the preferences of
    any MVP who doesn't want his information made public.


    I'm with you there too. That should easily take care of the needs of
    anyone who doesn't want his name and info made public.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, May 4, 2009
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  20. In my opinion, it doesn't even come close to the caliber of person the
    MVP program hopes to attract. Take for instance its use of a domain name
    obviously chosen to trick people into believing it is an official MVP
    site. Forget the "badge", just look at its posting history and bad
    attittude toward others.

    It is of the opinion that David Lipman's program is "crap" - and this is
    probably the only reason it hasn't stolen it.
     
    FromTheRafters, May 4, 2009
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