MVP Question

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Sunny, May 4, 2009.

  1. Sunny

    Bruce Hagen Guest

    Would that be me, Bob? MS gives us only two choices. Remain anonymous, or
    have all your personal info made public. I have expressed my opinion in the
    past to MS that, IMO there should be an MS certified list of MVPs that the
    public can see. IOW, a list of names of all MVPs without revealing personal
    info if they do not want it published. Right now, it's all or nothing.

    I don't want to sound offensive, but I don't really want to share all the
    information in my personal profile with the rest of the world. It is really
    no ones business. But I /do/ want the public to be assured that I am not an
    Bruce Hagen, May 4, 2009
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  2. : In my opinion, it doesn't even come close to the caliber of person the
    : MVP program hopes to attract. Take for instance its use of a domain name
    : obviously chosen to trick people into believing it is an official MVP
    : site. Forget the "badge", just look at its posting history and bad
    : attittude toward others.

    The MVPs and MS do know that he is *not* a MVP.
    Tom [Pepper] Willett, May 4, 2009
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  3. Sunny

    HeyBub Guest

    So if someone claimed the title "MVP emeritus," there'd be no way of
    HeyBub, May 4, 2009
  4. : So if someone claimed the title "MVP emeritus," there'd be no way of
    : knowing?
    That is correct.
    Tom [Pepper] Willett, May 4, 2009
  5. Precisely...

    I wouldn't trust anyone who won't use his or her FULL name on USENET either.
    DSH [D. Spencer Hines]
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor

    D. Spencer Hines, May 4, 2009
  6. Sunny

    Bob Lucas Guest


    I hope you will accept my assurance that I was not suggesting you
    might be an imposter. On the contrary, I have never doubted your
    right to use the MVP designation. Perhaps I could also add that
    I respect your absolute right to privacy.

    However, I do have a problem with the MS attitude, which is less
    than helpful. That is the real issue, because newsgroup users
    really should have access to a definitive list of all MVPs. That
    would go a long way to discouraging spurious claims from the
    likes of PCB.
    Bob Lucas, May 4, 2009
  7. Sunny

    Leonard Grey Guest

    Is that so, "D." Spencer Hines?
    Leonard Grey, May 4, 2009
  8. Sunny

    Twayne Guest

    They don't necessarily respect it; it's the way it is. They have to, or
    suffer the consequences.Why then would such a person be stupid enough to put same in a
    newsgroup? And in their sig? It's NA here on the group or a real dummy
    othersise, IMO.
    Oh yeah, and they go and post to newsgroups using it? Once an MVP name
    is public, there is a way to verify it, period, if the person wishes to
    expend the time & effort.

    It's really pretty simple: Anyone that doesn't want their staus known
    won't use it on a newsgroup. But posers and impersonators might.

    IMO you're all making way too much out of this.
    Twayne, May 4, 2009
  9. This entire issue is academic...

    Because, as has been pointed out by others, one shouldn't trust ANYTHING he
    or she gets over USENET -- without double and triple checking it.

    And that includes something from an MVP as well -- particularly if you are
    being told to make Registry Changes, or something equally complex.
    D. Spencer Hines, May 4, 2009
  10. Sunny

    Bruce Hagen Guest

    No worries, Bob. I knew where you were coming from. And I concur that MS
    should supply a valid list to the public. All the people need is a
    validation of the person claiming to be an MVP. They don't need to know our
    life profiles in detail.
    Bruce Hagen, May 4, 2009
  11. if accountability equates to trustworthiness.

    Certainly, it gets figured in. If I wanted to be taken seriously (for
    nefarious purposes), I would post with a more *real* looking pseudonym.
    People should realize that "D. Spencer Hines" as a name in usenet
    carries no more trustworthiness than "FromTheRafters" does.

    D. Spencer Hines is a nice sounding name, and the latin sig is a nice
    touch, but it all makes me wonder what you're selling.

    No offense intended.

    FromTheRafters, May 4, 2009
  12. Sunny

    Twayne Guest

    Isn't one of the pre-requisites of becoming and MVP that they
    reliability and correctly help people in ways that can be observed?
    INcluding newsgoups? This excerpt from MS seems to say so:

    "...recognized, credible, and accessible individuals with expertise in
    one or more Microsoft products who actively participate in online *and*
    offline communities to share their knowledge and expertise with other
    Microsoft customers."

    As for the offline stuff, I have NEVER seen any evidence of an MVP
    outside of MS related functions. Also, the wording there is AND, not OR
    offline communities.
    The wording of not exposing their personal info and status is for
    THAT MS SITE! It only means they don't want to be part of a list where
    every MVP can be abused. THAT is a rule of privacy that they must
    follow. That does NOT mean you can be an MVP and not be ... well, read
    the quote above. One can not be anonymous AND accessible.

    I've noticed lately a few MVPs have decided to give their areas of
    expertise here on the group lately and I applaud them for that. I've
    also noticed their answers, when I knew the subject they were posting
    about, were clear and concise as they should be, devoid of opinion,
    labelling and unwarrented criticisms.

    There's a huge problem on this particular group where the MVPs in
    general want everyone to think it means they not only know everything
    about everything, but they are the only ones that know it. They
    actually believe it about themselves, some of them. I'll never forget
    the one that responded to one my verification questions a long time ago
    that further verification wasn't needed becaue he was an MVP. And yes,
    he's still here and still not verifiable as an MVP on the lists.
    Think about this: Of the several claimed MVPs here, how many of them
    are you aware of their area of highest expertise? Don't ask them; they
    won't respond unless it's an imposter looking to further its perceived
    importance to the world. Although that particular thread took on a life
    of its own, it never did touch the original query and (my words) instead
    discussed the audacity of anyone that would ask such a question. Yeah;
    I thought it was funny, too. And that's at a time when the title meant
    something, too.

    Other claimed MVPs break their own rules with impunity and think no
    one will ever suspect. Those kind are only here for their own power
    trip regardless of their reps and should be bulldozed, IMO. A few
    others have changed hat colors over the years as their egos grew and
    people began to notice. I think one of two might even need mental help,
    but that's the norm for any culture I guess.
    You real MVPs, who have kept their status current and are actually
    given to to assisting people as you were intended to, are to be lauded
    for suffering through all the dilution and bad reps the others have
    given to the title.
    And finally, if you actually think you are indispensibe here or
    anywhere, you are one of the ones that needs to go and get a life so the
    real performers can shine through. Perhaps many more people would then
    find it interesting to become an MVP.
    Actually, if you want to know that about anyone, contact the
    organization directly and ask. I did once, and I got a very respectful
    response even though the person had, but no longer carried, the title.
    They did assure me he'd never get the title back if he was still using
    it, so apparently there is some sort of complete list somewhere, and
    maybe even a blackball list, who knows? I know of two that were
    suspended for their actions on this group a couple years ago. They
    posted about it here, and I actually felt sorry for them because it
    seemed like they were railroaded. Finally, they just dropped the title
    and continued business as usual - and were no less respected for it.
    I don't recall that as a category. Perhaps a super-category or
    something, but that's awfully general. Not going to bother checking it
    out though; I don't really care that much.

    That makes sense and is as it should be. Personally I don't think it's
    a crime in any way for an MVP to not have the time/access to keep up
    with it all. As Andrew did here, even the "former MVP" sig is
    completely acceptable to me, and at least honest.

    I guess the reason for my post here is because MVP used to mean
    something but this group set in particular is a really bad one for
    MVP-ness<g>. It needs a good cleaning IMO.



    Twayne, May 4, 2009
  13. Nonsense! Even if you did have their FULL name what makes you think
    that they would be more trustworthy? Would you actually do background
    checks on persons to make sure that they can be trusted? The Usenet is
    what it is, take anything on it as you please and want and leave the
    rest to abandon. If you think knowing someone by name makes them
    trustworthy I would like to introduce you to Bernie Madoff...

    John John (MVP), May 4, 2009
  14. Balderdash. I didn't say they would be more trustworthy, or that I would
    trust them. Read more carefully.
    Teaching grandma to suck eggs.
    Total Non Sequitur.

    Here's another pogue who calls himself an MVP but is too cowardly even to
    use his name.
    D. Spencer Hines, May 4, 2009
  15. We pretty well see where you come from. There are a couple like you in
    these groups, when things don't go their way they resort to insults,
    then if others turn it right back at them they have issy fits and think
    that others owe them respect! And by the way my name is John, that is
    all that you need to know, I owe you nothing.
    John John (MVP), May 4, 2009
  16. Hilarious!

    "John John" has a...

    Public Hissy Fit.

    I wouldn't trust this bloke to walk and chew gum at the same time or cross
    the street and buy me a quart of milk -- much less advise on a complex
    technical matter -- MVP or not.
    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor
    Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

    D. Spencer Hines, May 4, 2009
  17. How, pray tell, would you know one way or another if they are?
    Randall Flagg, May 4, 2009
  18. Another UNKNOWN poseur...

    Not worth a bucket of warm spit.
    D. Spencer Hines
    Lux et Veritas et Libertas
    Vires et Honor
    Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
    D. Spencer Hines, May 4, 2009
  19. ROFLMAO! What makes you think that I would buy go you a quart of milk?
    John John (MVP), May 4, 2009
  20. WHY are you here? Have users in your other hangouts grown weary of
    your pomposity? You certainly can't be thinking of asking for help.
    Nate Grossman, May 4, 2009
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