My grievances (and yours) with the WMP11 beta (or any other versio

Discussion in 'Windows Media Player' started by subsonic, May 26, 2006.

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    subsonic Guest

    I got the WMP11 beta, and it's cool and all, but I wish it had been improved
    more. Heres what I want:

    A. More customizations.

    1. The miniPlayer. I wish it could be skinned, and I wish it had options.
    Like I hate the little thing that says what's playing, it gets in the way and
    is a distracting while I work. It would be nice to be able to disable it.

    2. Turn stuff off, like the URGE button. I don't like it. In Internet
    Explorer and Windows Explorer, you can customize the toolbar, add and remove
    buttons. I would like something like that.

    3. The Library. If you could turn off the grouping. I wanted to view all
    the albums in alphabetical order, but the thing split them up for every
    letter. Not only did it spread out my library a ton, it looked choppy, like
    the single letter thing got annoying.

    B. Less Clutter.

    1.The right-click menu. It's packed. Sure, they split it up between 5
    groups, but each one is packed. And half the things are greyed out, anyway! I
    don't know how to fix it, but maybe they could make the classic menus, only
    skinned to look good. That way it would at least be more organized looking
    instead of being all wide and ugly. Also it would allow for different things
    to use the right click for more customizations.

    2. The options screen. They need to spread the options out better, because
    all those tabs confuse me. If you've used Winamp, you'll know how the options
    are. It has twice the options as WMP, but it feels less cluttered.

    C. Other design grievances.

    1. The album art in the corner. It's ugly and badly placed. It tickers
    un-needed info. Let me turn it off!

    2. The miniPlayer. The WMP logo. It's ugly, it doesn't fit the dark look.
    Keep it off.

    3. The Media Guide. It's got that "tab" there for no reason, and has a stop
    button with no navigation buttons! And no address bar, either!

    So that's what I want. If you agree with me, tell me. If you disagree, tell
    me. If you have your own to add, post them. Hopefully our voices will be

    Thanks for reading! Cheers!
    subsonic, May 26, 2006
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    mbg Guest

    I agree about this one. I think that if you click somewhere outside of the
    Miniplayer region, that popup should go away. i.e. if you click on the
    desktop, or click in some other app, the popup should disappear, rather than
    just timing out. I find myself waiting for it to go away so I can get on
    with my work a lot of the time.
    It seems like URGE is one of the main reasons for WMP11's existence... it's
    probably by-design that you're always going to be tempted/annoyed to go and
    buy online music.

    mbg, May 26, 2006
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    benryves Guest

    1. The album art in the corner. It's ugly and badly placed. It tickers
    If this is the small icon in the bottom-left, as with previous versions of
    WMP click this to cycle through a play status icon or a small visualisation.
    benryves, May 26, 2006
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    subsonic Guest

    Wow I didn't know that! I mean, I never clicked it before, in the previous
    versions at least, and it was in album art mode this time! Thanks man!
    subsonic, May 26, 2006
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    nonnahs23 Guest

    3. The Library. If you could turn off the grouping. I wanted to view all
    This feature is really bothering me, I feel like I cant manage my music
    anymore. I like to sort by song title to be sure I dont duplicate a title by
    the same performer. Its not possible, at least that I have found. Also many
    of my albums with multiple groups are now under "various artist" rather than
    by the performer. Im still looking for ways around these problems.
    nonnahs23, May 31, 2006
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    zachd [MSFT] Guest

    A: The grouping headings will remain since that's a basic part of how WMP11
    displays data.

    B: If you want your tracks sorted by Contributing Artists as opposed to
    albums sorted by Album Artists, right-click on the Library pivot and select
    "Show More Views" and then select the Contributing Artist view. =)

    Thanks for the feedback,
    zachd [MSFT], Jun 1, 2006
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    wago Guest

    I'm not opposed to the grouping - I guess it would be nice to have an option
    to turn it off - but I do agree that we've lost some of the management and
    navigation capabilities.

    For example, I can not find a way to sort by song title and then type the
    first few letters of the song and move to that spot alphabetically in the
    library. I can use this style of navigation for Album, Artist and Genre but
    not for Songs.

    Maybe this is just a bug in the beta since the place it does not work is for

    I'm really enjoying v11 - thanks.
    wago, Jun 9, 2006
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    wago Guest

    Just another comment on my previous note...

    Why is the "Songs" category grouped by artist? Isn't this what you get when
    you choose ARTIST from the list. Seems like when you choose SONGS the list
    should be sorted alphabetically by song title - or at least you should be
    able to sort by title (or any other column) and then move into the list by
    pressing a letter.
    wago, Jun 9, 2006
  9. Agreed.

    However, you can sort by a column, by clicking on the column header
    (just as in v10). The search box allows you to progressively filter the
    list by typing.

    Bigger problems would be that
    a) WMP doesn't remember the view that you left it in (so click on Title
    to sort on that field, then click on another grouping, like Genre, and
    then click back to Songs ... it's back to Album view again)

    b) Look at the pivots available for Composer: which are Composer, Count,
    Length and Rating. Basically of little use to anybody. It would be
    great to get a break down of which Artists or Albums a Composer is
    represented by, but that's not possible.

    Same problem for Contributing Artist and some other fields: ridiculously
    useless out-of-the-box defaults.
    Mike Williams, Jun 9, 2006
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    wago Guest

    Thanks for the note on the search box. I did not realize that it worked like
    that. I see now what you are talking about. Not what I'm used to but I think
    that will accomplish what I need.

    Much agreement on the other issues.

    Thanks again,
    wago, Jun 9, 2006
  11. Yea it's like iTunes or any number of "Web 2.0" applications (which is
    in general "better" ;-)
    It's always hard to introduce new ways to navigate established ways of
    doing things, hopefully the wordwheel will work out well - I've got
    *very* used to it in iTunes and wouldn't be able to find
    what-I-want-to-listen-to-now without it !

    Cheers - Neil
    Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media], Jun 10, 2006
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    wago Guest

    Thanks Neil.

    This may simply be an "old dog new tricks" scenario in which I'm just an old
    dog. If so, I'm happy to begin my training. But a couple of things confuse

    1. When I click on "SONGS" and click the TITLE column to sort and group my
    library by song title, why can't I then type a letter and jump to songs
    starting with that letter? You can do this when using "ARTIST" or "ALBUM" or
    "GENRE" - why not "TITLE"?

    2. I'm not sure I even understand why clicking on "SONGS" sorts and groups
    my library by artist when clicking on "ARTIST", "ALBUM", "GENRE" or "YEAR"
    sorts and groups my library by that item. Seems to me like selecting "SONGS"
    then should sort my library by song title or there should be a "TITLE" option
    that displays the library alphabetically by song title.

    Just seems to be inconsistent in it's UI.

    By the way, I thought this would be a good time to mention that I really
    like WMP11. I'm looking forward to using it and to your response.

    wago, Jun 10, 2006
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