Need information re VPC deployment for WIN98 legacy applications

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by Noah, Aug 24, 2005.

  1. Noah

    Noah Guest

    I am not a PC wiz and seek help, in laymen terms, on the following issue:

    I have a new lap-top. P-4 1.7GHz, 512 MB memory & 60GB HD under XP Pro. I
    have partitioned the HD into several logical drives. Some are NTFS and some
    FAT32. Almost no applications yet installed on this machine.

    I want to run 2 of my legacy applications which used to work perfecctly
    under WIN98 + a DOS program which also ran under win98. I tried to install on
    the new machune, but failed (even to install). I tried the XP compatibility
    wizard, yet to no avail. I am therefore considering MS Virtual PC.

    1. I prepared a primary, non-active FAT32 partition for WIN98 (not yet
    installed), alongside the active primary partition (NTFS) which hosts my XP
    OS. Is this needed at all if I will install VPC or shall I delete this

    2. I will run most of my work under XP Pro, and will use the virtual
    machine, daily, only for the 2-3 legacy applications mentioned above. Do I
    need only one VM (for WIN98 & the lagacies)? Can I run all other applications
    on the XP in the host machine or will I have to create another VM for XP as

    Shall appreciate any assistance on this. TNX.
    Noah, Aug 24, 2005
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    Robert Moir Guest

    Virtual PC does not usually write directly to the hard disk in the sense
    you're obviously thinking about from what you say above; It generally writes
    to a large file, which contains an emulation of a hard disk. As such, you
    don't need to create a FAT32 partition on your physical computer's hard disk
    for the virtual PC, but some people prefer to keep the virtual PC hard disk
    file on a dedicated NTFS partition.
    You need only the one Windows 98 Virtual Machine. From the perspective of
    the host machine, virtual PC is just another, somewhat resource hungry,
    application. So you can conduct the majority of your business in XP on the
    host system as you would normally, and just start up the virtual PC guest as
    needed when you want to use the one or two programs contained within it.

    I hope that helps.

    Robert Moir, Aug 24, 2005
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  3. Noah

    Noah Guest

    Thank Rob for your fast reply. It's very helpful. I also surfed to your site
    and found the ideas & tips very interesting and helpful.
    Yet, before trying the real thing, let me verify I understand it correctly
    (I am still shivering at the idea of jumping into the VN arena).
    1. I delete the special partition prepared for WIN98.
    2. I install MS VPC2004 as a regular application under XP, and the
    installation will guide throughout the process.
    3. I may install the VPC into a dedicated logical drive(partition).
    Is all this correct?

    TNX in advance for your assistance.

    Noah, Aug 24, 2005
  4. This is all correct - but steps 1 and 3 are purely optional and up to
    your disgression.
    Benjamin Armstrong
    Virtual machine Program Manager

    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
    You assume all risk for your use.
    Ben Armstrong [MSFT], Aug 25, 2005
  5. You don't need any partition dedicated to Win98 in any way to do what you
    propose. It is easier to deal with the virtual hard disk file on an NTFS
    drive because there is not the FAT32 file size restriction of 4GB to work
    around. Once you start the virtual machine the first time just do what you
    would do on a physical machine for installing Win98, but do it all to the
    virtual machine. Use fdisk to prep the virtual hard drive and then format
    it with the same Win98 setup floppy. Then install the OS and your apps.
    When you see warnings within the virtual machine window about your hard
    being formatted and that you will lose all data, it only applies to the
    virtual hard drive and not the host machine's hard drive.
    Colin Barnhorst, Aug 25, 2005
  6. Noah

    Noah Guest

    Thanks, Ben and Colin for your advice. But ops! I was afraid I will encounter
    a problem that I didn't think of.

    You said I'll need the setup floppy. But my new laptop doesn't a floppy
    drive. The only input devices (besides KBRD & mouse) are a DVD RW and USB

    Can I start the WIN98 installation from the CD without the setup diskette?
    Or do I have to copy the WIN98 install floppy to a USB memory device and set
    up my BIOS boot sequence to start from the USB removable device? Which of
    these 2 options is correct?

    TNX again for your support

    Noah, Aug 25, 2005
  7. Noah

    Bill Grant Guest

    You can download a virtual floppy disk and simply drag it onto the
    virtual floppy disk icon on the vm window. (see or Steve
    Jain's site).
    Bill Grant, Aug 26, 2005
  8. Noah

    Wardell Guest

    Wardell, Aug 29, 2005
  9. Yes, you can use the Windows 98 CD to boot up and do the installation.
    Simply select "Boot from CD ROM" at the first prompt, then select "Start
    Computer with CD-ROM Support" at the next prompt. It will bring you to
    a floppy drive letter (A:\) where you can do FDISK and create your
    partition (or set the one created in the Windows 98 Setup as active).
    Then simply press CTRL-ALT-Delete to reboot again.
    Patrick Dickey, Aug 29, 2005
  10. Noah

    Noah Guest

    Thanks to all of you: Bill, Wardell & Patrick for your latest suggestions,
    and to Rob, Ben and Colin who jumped in first with their knowledgable
    answers. I really appreciate all your assistance on this matter. Now I will
    go out to acquire the product and do the real work. And if I'll encounter
    any problem (God forbid), be assured I shall be back to you. Many TNX.
    Noah, Aug 29, 2005
  11. Noah

    Noah Guest

    Helllo, I have one additional question.

    My sole consideration to install VPC is to enable me to continue using some
    of my legacy WIN95/WIN98 & DOS applications under an XP host.

    Question: Where should I insatll those WIN98/95/DOS programs? In the VM on a
    virtual disk? Or may I direct the installation to a REAL partition (lpgical
    drive) on the host (XP) that I prepared for hosting all my application

    Can you give me a hint? Thanks in advance.
    Noah, Aug 31, 2005
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    Bill Grant Guest

    The simplest method is to just install the apps as you would on a
    standalone machine running W98.
    Bill Grant, Sep 1, 2005
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