NETBIOS over TCPIP??? for windows machine on w2k3 network

I am setting up a win2k3 domain and a consultant told me
to make sure every 98 box had netbios over tcp/ip checked?
first of all how do I do this and second is it necessary.?

what does this enable me to do by having netbios over
tcp/ip enabled?

thanks

 

Haven't used W98 for a while, but it should be in the TCP/IP Advanced
settings.

Older Windows machines used the IBM/Microsoft proprietary protocol
Netbeui to communicate on a network. This has essentially been replaced by
Netbios over TCP/IP (sometimes abbreviated to Netbt) which uses the TCP/IP
protocol.

W2k3 does not support Netbeui, so clients without Netbt will not be able
to communicate with W2k3 (unless you install the dsclient and use Active
Directory and DNS).

 

It's shocking when people disrespect their own consultant/advisor/staff (you
name it) and start to ask any stranger apparently trusting him more...

Most probably you didn't get the consultant at all. This is W2k3 server
which must have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled in the mixed network with
pre-W2k clients like W9x/NT. Downlevel clients use NetBIOS as the only
communication interface offering a standard method for the provision and use
of network services. NetBIOS isn't a routed protocol (moreover - it's not a
protocol at all) and cannot overcome any router, unless high-level transport
like TCP/IP or IPX/SPX is involved.
If downlevel client utilizes only TCP/IP, then NetBIOS over TCP/IP enables
automatically and you cannot change it (briefly, you need second transport
protocol to manipulate it).

 

:
: It's shocking when people disrespect their own consultant/advisor/staff
(you
: name it) and start to ask any stranger apparently trusting him more...

There is nothing wrong with questioning the advice from a
consultant/advisor/staff. Would you rather blindly trust your family doctor
or get a second opinion? *raises eyebrow*

: Most probably you didn't get the consultant at all.

You assume and it is not relative.

: This is W2k3 server
: which must have NetBIOS over TCP/IP enabled in the mixed network with
: pre-W2k clients like W9x/NT.

True but that is not what he said. He said he was told the Win98 computers
must have it enabled which doesn't exist because using TCP/IP is all they
need do, since it is really NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

: Downlevel clients use NetBIOS as the only communication interface offering
a standard method for the provision and use
: of network services.
: NetBIOS isn't a routed protocol

Correct but it is adaptable to use routed protocols, i.e. IPX, TCP/IP.

: (moreover - it's not a protocol at all)

Correct. It is an API for a suite of protocols. TCP/IP is not a protocol
but rather a suite of protocols. However, it is acceptable to refer to
NetBIOS, NetBEUI and TCP/IP as protocols.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/timothydevans/intro.htm

: and cannot overcome any router, unless high-level transport like TCP/IP or
IPX/SPX is involved.

Correct.

: If downlevel client utilizes only TCP/IP, then NetBIOS over TCP/IP
enables
: automatically and you cannot change it (briefly, you need second transport
: protocol to manipulate it).

Incorrect. NetBIOS over TCP/IP doesn't enable when TCP/IP is the only
protocol. It only has NetBIOS over TCP/IP. It does not have or support
native IP.

It says TCP/IP but it is actually NetBIOS over TCP/IP. Microsoft just
didn't label it correctly. Native IP has only existed on Windows since W2K.

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Roland,

Questioning the advice from a consultant/staff is a must, no doubt. Au
contraire, I said asking 'nobody' to get a second option is a disrespect -
you'd better fire/hire another consultant/staff in this case. I trust my
family doctor, otherwise he wouldn't be a 'family' one. Indeed, this is not
a blind trust, but this is not a paranoia as well. But asking the medical
advice from his receptionist is a disrespect and paranoia.

Let me skip all your 'correct' marks and other crap, but discuss a bit your
last statement "NetBIOS over TCP/IP doesn't enable when TCP/IP is the only
protocol. It only has NetBIOS over TCP/IP. It does not have or support
native IP". Frankly, it sounds like W98 communicates with the Internet using
NetBIOS. You'd better take W98, disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP, and connect to
this newsgroup.

 

:
: Questioning the advice from a consultant/staff is a must, no doubt. Au
: contraire, I said asking 'nobody' to get a second option is a disrespect -
: you'd better fire/hire another consultant/staff in this case.

If you question your consultant one time you have to them fire them? That
sounds rather extreme. You cannot expect anyone to know everything about
everything.

: I trust my
: family doctor, otherwise he wouldn't be a 'family' one. Indeed, this is
not
: a blind trust, but this is not a paranoia as well. But asking the medical
: advice from his receptionist is a disrespect and paranoia.

Apples and organges. I doubt everyone here classifies as the level of a
receptionist in your scenario.

: Let me skip all your 'correct' marks and other crap,

Nice language Wally.

: but discuss a bit your
: last statement "NetBIOS over TCP/IP doesn't enable when TCP/IP is the only
: protocol. It only has NetBIOS over TCP/IP. It does not have or support
: native IP". Frankly, it sounds like W98 communicates with the Internet
using
: NetBIOS. You'd better take W98, disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP, and connect
to
: this newsgroup.

Yes, there is a way to disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP in Windows 98 and I
confused it with Windows 95. In Windows 95 you have to rename the vnbt.396
file. However, NetBIOS does not enable just because you need to use it for
workgroup/domain connectivity. It may not be utilized when communicating
with a native IP device but it does not turn on and off as you imply. It is
enabled and bound to the NIC.

 

:
: "Jetro" wrote:
: : Questioning the advice from a consultant/staff is a must, no doubt. Au
: : contraire, I said asking 'nobody' to get a second option is a
disrespect -
: : you'd better fire/hire another consultant/staff in this case.
:
: If you question your consultant one time you have to them fire them? That
: sounds rather extreme. You cannot expect anyone to know everything about
: everything.
:
: : I trust my
: : family doctor, otherwise he wouldn't be a 'family' one. Indeed, this is
: not
: : a blind trust, but this is not a paranoia as well. But asking the
medical
: : advice from his receptionist is a disrespect and paranoia.
:
: Apples and organges. I doubt everyone here classifies as the level of a
: receptionist in your scenario.
:
: : Let me skip all your 'correct' marks and other crap,
:
: Nice language Wally.
:
: : but discuss a bit your
: : last statement "NetBIOS over TCP/IP doesn't enable when TCP/IP is the
only
: : protocol. It only has NetBIOS over TCP/IP. It does not have or support
: : native IP". Frankly, it sounds like W98 communicates with the Internet
: using
: : NetBIOS. You'd better take W98, disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP, and connect
: to
: : this newsgroup.
:
: Yes, there is a way to disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP in Windows 98 and I
: confused it with Windows 95. In Windows 95 you have to rename the
vnbt.396
: file. However, NetBIOS does not enable just because you need to use it
for
: workgroup/domain connectivity. It may not be utilized when communicating
: with a native IP device but it does not turn on and off as you imply. It
is
: enabled and bound to the NIC.

and if I knew how to type oranges and 386 my message might make more sense.

 

I expect my consultant knows the subject at least better than me. It would
be great at the same time if he understands what he's saying, but alas, I
always want too much... Nobody's perfect. Lord, during 15 years in BBS and
newsgroups I've read so many different opinions of 'experts' - I gave up
polemizing long time ago.
Back to the point: IIRC, having W95 and 3.x there was a neat solution just
to comment out a line 'device=vnbt.386' in the [386enh] section of the
System.ini file to disable NetBIOS (Nbt). For W98 it's possible to edit
registry at HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Class\NetTrans\0001 and remove vnbt.386
from DeviceVxDs in case of TCP/IP. Both variants are bad for MS network -
it's disappearing. So the solution was, as I mentioned, to install second
protocol - NetBEUI or IPX/SPX with NetBIOS over it, unbind TCP/IP from
Client for MS Network and F&PSharing, if installed, and voila! - disable
NetBIOS over TCP/IP using single checkbox. MS network comes back, and the
Internet connection is so-so secure... (Do I deserve couple of beers after
this total recall?)

P.S. I'm glad you like my language

 

:
: I expect my consultant knows the subject at least better than me. It would
: be great at the same time if he understands what he's saying, but alas, I
: always want too much... Nobody's perfect. Lord, during 15 years in BBS and
: newsgroups I've read so many different opinions of 'experts' - I gave up
: polemizing long time ago.
: Back to the point: IIRC, having W95 and 3.x there was a neat solution just
: to comment out a line 'device=vnbt.386' in the [386enh] section of the
: System.ini file to disable NetBIOS (Nbt). For W98 it's possible to edit
: registry at HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Class\NetTrans\0001 and remove
vnbt.386
: from DeviceVxDs in case of TCP/IP. Both variants are bad for MS network -
: it's disappearing. So the solution was, as I mentioned, to install second
: protocol - NetBEUI or IPX/SPX with NetBIOS over it, unbind TCP/IP from
: Client for MS Network and F&PSharing, if installed, and voila! - disable
: NetBIOS over TCP/IP using single checkbox. MS network comes back, and the
: Internet connection is so-so secure... (Do I deserve couple of beers after
: this total recall?)

Actually you are not so-so secure. I've hacked, in class of course, Netware
Servers from Windows, bouncing off Solaris and HP/UX, through 2 firewalls.
If you communicate with the Internet, and you're connected, you're never
100% secure.

As far as the beers go, I cannot contribute to the deliquency of minors.
Sorry. How about a root beer?

: P.S. I'm glad you like my language

You should learn to recognize when someone is being facetious. (O:=

 

You're not secure even if you're not connected. It is an old security adage
that "If you can physically touch a system, then there is no security".

 

:
: You're not secure even if you're not connected. It is an old security
adage
: that "If you can physically touch a system, then there is no security".

Ok, I'll agree with that but I'll deny it if asked.

 

Why to deny something? You should learn more.

 

:
: Why to deny something? You should learn more.

It was a joke. I guess I need a new writer. We also didn't cover wireless
access if available which does not require wire or physical access but I
thought our discussion was directed at network access and usually wireless
access is to an AP, and not a workstation.