NetworkStumbler, HP DV9000 series. Intel Pro Wireless 3945ABG

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Hardware' started by Phillip Windell, Mar 9, 2007.

  1. Does anyone have any success with running Network Stumbler 4.0
    (http://www.stumbler.net) with Vista? The subject line has the most ovious
    sepcs of the laptop. Vista and the Laptop are all 64bit accross the broad as
    far as I can tell. networkStumbler just "is what it is", I'm not aware of any
    speacila 64bit version.

    When I try to use it I get one of two error from Stumbler. It either says that
    the wireless nic "isn't there" or it will report "Access Denied".

    Although I am the IT Administrator at a TV station (and an ISA MVP) and can deal
    with most things on my own,...this is my first experience with Vista and have
    only been using it a couple days,...so I am a little lost as to where to really
    look for the problem,...what to expect,...and what to do about it.

    I gave a link to the application's Site. It is a free program and I consider it
    "safe", so maybe someone may want to download it and see what results they get.
    It is a "scanner" to detect wireless networks. It is often used in "wardriving"
    but has other good uses as well such as a tool for doing wireless Site Surveys.


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    Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
    my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
    with me, including my cats.
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    Phillip Windell, Mar 9, 2007
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  2. NetStumbler has always been very picky about which wireless chipsets
    it supports (it must go deep inside them to grab the data it wants).
    Unless you've run it on this same computer, or a computer with the
    same exact wireless chip, under a pre-Vista OS, I'd suspect the chip.

    Beware that wireless adapter vendors sometimes change their chip
    vendor without changing the model number or external appearance of
    their product. If you search the web and discussion boards you may
    find reports of your adapter working or not... Or look for a cheap
    USB adapter that is known to work with NetStumbler.

    Loren
     
    Loren Amelang, Mar 9, 2007
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  3. Hi Loren!

    I have ran it before,..sorta,..Let me explain and I'll try to keep it short.
    I purchased a new HP dv9000 series laptop. I had it in my hands for a couple
    weeks. It ran XP-MCE and Stumbler worked fine. I discovered the SVideo port
    didn't work (hadn't from the beginning apearantly) and sent it in to HP for
    repairs. It came back a week later with a new LCD that it never needed and the
    SVideo port still not fixed. Sent it back to HP and it "disappeared" into a
    black hole. After about two months and tracking down a much higher lever person
    at HP they decided to just warranty the whole thing and send me a new one and
    they would take back the old one.

    The new one is identical except that they bumped up the CPU from the 1.66gig
    Duo-core to a 2.0gig Duo-core, with larger HDs and the next level higher Nvidia
    Card. They did this without additional charge to compensat for the eariler
    "runaround" and because the new one *only* came with Vista and I specifically
    wanted XP-MCE and did not want to loose performance (and compatibility) by
    having Vista on it. The memory and CPU are the most important to me for what I
    do with it and I didn't want to lose performance due the the higher requirements
    of Vista.

    So anyway,...as far as I know,...it is identical hardware other than the CPU,
    HDs, and Video card,...and Vista instead of XP-MCE. The Vista is also x64,..I
    don't know if the previous XP-MCE was x64 or not. So my impression is that Vista
    is the problem, especially since the most common error is "access denied",
    rather than "device not present".
    I could try that. I have a USB one, but someone is borrowing it right now, and I
    don't know if it has drivers for Vista x64. It would probably be about a week
    before I could try that.

    --
    Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
    my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
    with me, including my cats.
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    Phillip Windell, Mar 9, 2007
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  4. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the internal wireless chip as
    well. In the computer world, if it didn't come out of an adjacent box
    on the same pallet, it is best to assume the internals have changed,
    even if the visible buzzwords didn't. If you still have the exact
    model number or service number for the old one you might be able to
    tell by searching their web site for wireless drivers for each model.

    NetStumbler is happiest with the really old cards it was written
    specifically for, like old Orinoco PCMCIA adapters. It tries to use
    modern generic Windows acccess routes with newer cards, with varying
    levels of success...

    Loren
     
    Loren Amelang, Mar 10, 2007
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  5. Are there any other freeware alternatives to NetStumbler that do the same thing
    but work with more modern stuff?

    --
    Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
    my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
    with me, including my cats.
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    Phillip Windell, Mar 11, 2007
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  6. Phillip Windell

    Mike Guest

    Since netstumbler is trying to disable windows services and by defuault is not allowed to, thats why youd get the access denied. if you right click the link to netstumbler and click "run as administrator" that should fix your problem.

    this whole thing stems from Vistas' new security feature (UAC) that requires permission for any administrative task to be run. but if you run as administrator it circumvents the whole thing.

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    Mike, Apr 11, 2007
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  7. Still doesn't work with mine. It still says "adapser not present".

    Stumbler worked perfectly fine on the same hardware when XP-MCE was running on
    it


    --
    Phillip Windell
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or
    anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
     
    Phillip Windell, Apr 11, 2007
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  8. Phillip Windell

    Hairy Scot Guest

    I have same problem.
    Ran as Administrator and got "Adapter not present".
    Would welcome any pointers on this.
     
    Hairy Scot, Dec 19, 2007
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