NEW DELL & Microsoft REFUSES to update

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by Jet, Jul 9, 2006.

  1. The June 26 suit is concerned with eliminating not just Notifications, but
    also WGA entirely. Alan Himmelfarb is a one man LA law office having
    good luck with class action - he doesn't answer phone calls. Scott A.
    Kamber (NYC) has worked with him before. In Seattle it's Mikkelborg.
    I think the meters run at roughly four hundred bucks an hour. I had
    thought MS got pangs of conscience - not fast reacting to litigation.
     
    Michael Jennings, Jul 10, 2006
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  2. Carey Frisch [MVP], Jul 10, 2006
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  3. Jet

    Doting Daddy Guest

    Mac now does the same thing with 10.4.7. Seems even the Great Emancipator,
    Steve Jobs, is a NAZI. :eek:)

    To Carey and Juniper, my apologies that you have to deal with this kind of
    nonsense. To the hyper paranoid, WGA is a legal tool designed to protect
    Microsoft's intellectual (yes, I see the irony) property. Get over it.
    They're hardly the only ones who do it. Our company uses an enterprise
    software tool that does the same thing every hour. What's the big deal.

    My guess is that Mr. Jet doesn't own a new Dell nor a legal copy of Windows.
     
    Doting Daddy, Jul 10, 2006
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  4. Jet

    ºAliasº Guest

    According to MS, 20% of all computers that ran WGA had FALSE positive
    results. This is according to MS. I am sure the real number is much
    higher so, no, we won't "get over it".

    Alias
     
    ºAliasº, Jul 10, 2006
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  5. Jet

    Doting Daddy Guest

    You say that according to MS, there's a 20% false positive rate. You
    wouldn't mind providing some sort of reference for that, would you? Not to
    say that you're intentionally misleading anyone, but I don't believe any
    company, even Microsoft, could have such a failure rate.

    And, again, almost all software providers are using piracy authentication in
    one draconian method or another. And, had I been the one to develop the
    software, I'd want to protect my investment, too.
     
    Doting Daddy, Jul 10, 2006
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  6. Jet

    ºAliasº Guest

    Your beliefs are not relevant. Take your choice:

    http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&q=wga&btnG=Search+News
    Accusing paying customers of being thieves until the flawed WGA says
    otherwise is fine and dandy with you? Five times? Putting over 20 per
    cent of your paying customers through false WGA hell is fine and dandy
    with you? If so, please explain.

    Alias
     
    ºAliasº, Jul 10, 2006
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  7. What a Microsoft spokesperson said was actually:

    "80% of all WGA validation failures are due to unauthorized use of leaked or
    stolen volume license keys."

    There are many other reasons for validation failures. You cannot correctly
    infer that the balance of 20% were all false positives.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jul 10, 2006
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  8. Jet

    ºAliasº Guest

    I can infer that MS probably lied, just like they lied when they said
    WGA was a "critical update". The real figure is probably much higher
    than 20%. Or, are you saying that Gates and Co. are "honest
    businessmen"? LOL!

    From:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/20060710/cm_ucru/gatesandbuffett1000timesworsethankenlay

    "Buffett and Gates may not have broken any laws--although, in Gates'
    case, the Clinton-era Justice Department thought he'd cheated millions
    of American consumers by violating anti-trust laws--but it's hard to see
    how their billions are more ethically legit than Lay's misbegotten
    millions. Sorry, but "working hard" doesn't cut it. I don't care if you
    stay late at the office every night, work weekends and holidays, or you
    never go on vacation. It doesn't matter how smart, imaginative or lucky
    you are. It just isn't possible to earn $44 billion in a single lifetime.

    Not honestly, anyway.

    Gates and Buffett have created a lot of pain and misery on their way to
    "earning" their combined $94 billion. (Bear in mind, that's what they're
    worth. That doesn't include what they've spent.) Gates scammed his dough
    the old-fashioned way: overcharging his customers and underpaying his
    employees. Somewhere along the way to accumulating $50 billion, doesn't
    it occur to a guy that he could charge a little less than $200 for
    buggy, instantly obsolete, software? Or that it's time for a
    company-wide raise? He could even hire (gasp) unionized American workers
    instead of building plants in the Third World and relying on the slave
    labor of prison inmates!"

    Doesn't seem too honest to me and what they say about false positives
    should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Alias
     
    ºAliasº, Jul 10, 2006
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  9. Jet

    Doting Daddy Guest

    20% of all those who fail are false positives, not 20% of all users. OK, I
    see the difference. What we're not seeing is how many are actually failing.

    I can tell you that of 750 PCs I directly manage, all with the new WGA, none
    have failed.

    I still think people are making a mountain out of a molehill. Perhaps not
    you, but far too many people are paranoid for all the wrong reasons. If they
    only knew how much information was collected on them, they'd be utterly
    shocked. And, according to Microsoft, it doesn't collect information it only
    validates the software. I would tend to believe them but I'm guessing you
    wouldn't.
     
    Doting Daddy, Jul 10, 2006
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  10. Jet

    Jet Guest

    WRONG-O DADDY-O ~ It's a brand new DELL XPS, the Windows Hologram Sticker
    with the "certified" serial number is on the side, and I also have the purple
    Dell Reinstallation CD with Win-XP, that I paid extra for. And for you other
    fools that think I'm only 13, I'm one of Bill Gates first customers from when
    I switched from CP/M and 8" floppys to MS-DOS 1.0 and 5.25" floppies. I was
    one of MS's BETA testers for WIN 1.0 which Bill Gates STOLE from XEROX, for
    EXCEL 1.0 and also for their version of C/C+ and ++.

    YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT ~ I agree that MS should require you to
    VALIDATE that you have an OFFICIAL version of Windows when you download
    SECURITY UPDATES, but that does NOT give them legal right to install NAZI
    SOFTWARE in your PC which violated Federal & State Laws regarding Wire
    Tapping.
     
    Jet, Jul 10, 2006
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  11. Jet

    Peter Guest

    The purple disk, surely, is XP + SP1A ?

    Why would Dell ship a new PC with SP1A ?
     
    Peter, Jul 10, 2006
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  12. Jet

    Jet Guest

    The Dell Purple Disk is Win-XP with SP2, it's their P/N UD744 and all the
    Directories on the CD are dated June 1, 2005 so actually DELL shipped me YEAR
    OLD SOFTWARE on a NEW PC.

     
    Jet, Jul 10, 2006
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  13. Jet

    no1 Guest

    Hey Daddy,

    Well, that's because none of those 750 users have stolen your VLK # and
    uploaded it to the Web (yet).
    But, rest assured, when that happens, MS will find that pirated # and
    blacklist (unvalidate) your 750 PCs.

    :)
     
    no1, Jul 11, 2006
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  14. a character in The Godfather assures the guy he is about to bump off,
    and that's accepted - there's no undignified writhing and screaming.
    Well, that's fiction. In real life, there tends to be some unseemly noise.
     
    Michael Jennings, Jul 11, 2006
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  15. Rest assured, your assumption is wrong. Microsoft always contacts
    the company that was issued the Volume License and discusses the
    matter with them. They do not arbitrarily block licenses without
    investigating and notifying the original licensee. It is usually the
    licensee that contacts Microsoft and reports a VL license as stolen.

    --
    Carey Frisch
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows - Shell/User

    Enjoy all the benefits of genuine Microsoft software:
    http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/default.mspx

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    "no1" incorrectly wrote:

    | Well, that's because none of those 750 users have stolen your VLK # and
    | uploaded it to the Web (yet).
    | But, rest assured, when that happens, MS will find that pirated # and
    | blacklist (unvalidate) your 750 PCs.
    |
    | :)
     
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Jul 11, 2006
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  16. Jet

    Jet Guest

    ARE YOU AN IDIOT?

    Microsoft has recently admitted in a Press Release that they have MODIFIED
    their "Genuine Advantage" so the software AUTOMATICALLY sends data from your
    PC in the background, if an internet access is detected, EVERY TIME the PC
    reboots.

    If I buy a new car, new TV, or a new hot water heater, I NEVER would agree
    to give the manufacturer the KEYS to my home and the Security Code to my
    Alarm System so they could come in my home EVERY DAY & NIGHT. That's what
    Microsoft is illegally forcing on it's customers and you can add EXTORTION to
    their CRIMINAL crimes as they are REFUSING to allow users to access SECURITY
    UPDATES unless they install this ILLEGAL NAZI "Genuine Advantage"
    wire-tapping software.

     
    Jet, Jul 11, 2006
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  17. Not true. WGA reads data *from* Microsoft, and it doesn't do it every time
    the PC boots.
    Not true. Security Updates are available even if you do not have WGA
    installed, via Windows Automatic Updates.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jul 11, 2006
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  18. Jet

    Tom Willett Guest

    WGA Notification is the one that reads the data from the computer and sends
    it to MS.

    Tom
    |
    | > Microsoft has recently admitted in a Press Release that they have
    | > MODIFIED their "Genuine Advantage" so the software AUTOMATICALLY
    | > sends data from your PC in the background, if an internet access is
    | > detected, EVERY TIME the PC reboots.
    |
    | Not true. WGA reads data *from* Microsoft, and it doesn't do it every
    time
    | the PC boots.
    |
    | > That's what Microsoft is illegally forcing on it's customers
    | > and you can add EXTORTION to their CRIMINAL crimes as they are
    | > REFUSING to allow users to access SECURITY UPDATES unless they
    | > install this ILLEGAL NAZI "Genuine Advantage" wire-tapping software.
    |
    | Not true. Security Updates are available even if you do not have WGA
    | installed, via Windows Automatic Updates.
    |
    | --
    | Robin Walker [MVP Networking]
    |
    |
    |
     
    Tom Willett, Jul 11, 2006
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  19. But WGA Notification is an optional install, and no-one is forced to install
    it. You can decline the EULA.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jul 11, 2006
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  20. Jet

    Jet Guest

    Robin ~ PUT UP OR SHUT UP

    Win-XP Security Updates can NOT be downloaded unless you agree to be an
    EXTORTION VICTIM and install MS's ILLEGAL "Genuine Advantage" Wire-Tapping
    Spyware.

    Microsoft is in BREACH OF CONTRACT with EVERYONE who purchased a NEW PC in
    the past 12 months or who purchased ANY Microsoft Software in the past 12
    months.

    YOU are either a LIAR or a FOOL. Prove me wrong. Show us all how to download
    Win-XP Security Updates & Patches without FIRST installing their ILLEGAL
    "Genuine Advantage" Spyware. As NEW PC purchasers are NOW being told by
    "Genuine Advantage" that their NEW Win-XP preinstalled software in "NOT
    LEGIT", this ILLEGAL "Genuine Advantage" has morphed from Spyware to MALWARE.

    Go read the Seattle news. The Criminals at Microsoft have just had a SECOND
    Federal suit filed against them for their NAZI SPYWARE "Genuine Advantage".
     
    Jet, Jul 11, 2006
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