No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Synapse Syndrome, Nov 26, 2006.

  1. No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!

    Did Microsoft not allow this to piss me off or what?

    ss.
     
    Synapse Syndrome, Nov 26, 2006
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    Josh Guest

    At first i would have said performance reasons, but the tool tip on the
    folder has the info on folder size. I assume it is done for network perf
    reasons? Sure seems by design though
     
    Josh, Nov 26, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Mr. Synapse--

    Absolutely there is and much more.

    I don't doubt there are a couple thousand at Redmond feverishly trying to
    piss you off--and they are obsessed with nothing else. I saw a lot of those
    pics at Building 26 with those wild and crazy PMs running around with signs
    that said "Piss the synapes off at all costs."

    Meanwhile you can organize explorer folders in Vista dozens of ways, and
    size is available in any view but you're looking for it in the wrong area.

    Open a folder>right click on the lower left square where the folder is
    pictured or the icon you have subbed for the folder (with the number of
    items listed to the right of it)>in the context menu>sort by/group by/stack
    by(size, etc.)/ and if you click the listing "more" at the bottom of the
    context menu, there are well over 100 criteria including size.

    CH
     
    Chad Harris, Nov 26, 2006
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    Jeff Gaines Guest

    There has never been an entry for size of a folder has there, only files
    have a size.

    Have you noticed that whatever view you choose in Explorer the ListViev
    columns still show?
     
    Jeff Gaines, Nov 26, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    1) I have hundreds of folders within folders, files within those folders,
    and files within the larger folders that house more folders. I have
    thoroughly integrated them since the first time I used a flavor of Windows
    years ago. In Vista and XP the size is a category in ANY VIEW offered--I
    could easily screenshot--and both FILES and FOLDERS have their size given in
    a size category in ANY view and on mouseover and they are not just files.

    2) It is simply not correct that there is no folder or file size in any
    view.

    3) It is simply not true that whatever view you choose in explorer the "List
    view columns show." On the contrary. Whatever columns show IN ANY VIEW is
    completely determined by this and if you say that, you haven't tried it or
    found it:

    This is the way you tailor what columns show in any view and it has NOTHING
    to do with a persistence in ANY VIEW INCLUDING LIST:

    1) Go to the bottom of the folder on the left where if you create a new
    folder on your desktop there will be a new folder icon in the lower left
    corner or if like I always do you substitute one of thousands of favicons in
    your favicon collection or one of thousands of icons native to Windows
    Vista, it's .dlls, .exes, and its downloaded programs and zip files via the
    Change or Modify Icon dialogue box. If you have named the folder it will
    have the name of the folder. If you have subbed an icon for the folder,
    that icon will be there.

    2) Right click that folder or icon and in the categories listed there that
    look like this:

    Sort By
    Group By
    Stack By

    Name
    Date Modified
    Type
    Size
    Ascending
    Descending

    More

    Click MORE and you will have the opportunity to customize and choose and
    TAILOR WHICH OF OVER 120 column headings you want to confer on whichever
    view you then choose and whichever way you choose to sort, group, or stack.

    The way I do it because it works for me and is analagous to the Show in
    Groups that was brought in during Windows XP is to go up to name where y ou
    can choose

    Sort
    Group
    Stack by Name

    and I choose Stck by Name because this is analagous to the bold headings of
    an index in a book except that they are headings now in Vista and I would
    have made them more bold. By name means they will be grouped alphabetically
    and then for the column headings I want, I do what I described above.

    For my downloads folder, I choose Sort by "Date Modified" or I just do that
    after a download so that I can easily locate many of the non-ituitively
    named downloads with characters and less obvious names on them. Everyone
    knows what I mean by that, because everyone sees those.


    For ref:

    Vista Folder FAQ
    http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/8eb3b0f8-533a-4e63-b967-b090a7912cc71033.mspx

    Press Alt Key to Show Menus in Explorer Folders Vista
    http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/637ba0fa-7408-48bf-b7d5-7b0085dd9e081033.mspx

    Windows Explorer Vista
    http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_explorer.htm

    Organize Folders Vista
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experiences/productivity.mspx

    Windows Vista Folders
    http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/vista/vista_virtual.htm

    http://www.tech-recipes.com/windows_tips1409.html

    Shell Team Video Exploring and Using Vista
    http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=114710

    Paul Thurrott Explorer in Vista
    http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_05.asp

    http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_beta1_02.asp

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experiences/design.mspx

    CH
     
    Chad Harris, Nov 26, 2006
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    John Barnes Guest

    If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the size
    and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.
     
    John Barnes, Nov 26, 2006
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    Jeff Gaines Guest

    I have just checked in XP and there is no entry in the 'Size' column for
    folders, never has been. I turn off the pop up stuff, it just gets in the
    way.
    It's certainly true for me, in W2K, XP and Vista.

    I select the view from the drop down menu, if I switch views the columns
    are still there.
    [snipped]

    I don't use custom views, I always use details view. It was when I was
    experimenting I discovered the column headers still show whatever view I
    choose.
     
    Jeff Gaines, Nov 26, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Jeff --

    If I'm understanding you correctly, I think that you can modify those column
    heads by going to that icon/folder at the lower left of your explorer folder
    window and right clicking>and highlighting sort by/group by/stack by/and by
    clicking on any of those menu choices click "more" which gives you over 120
    choices for COLUMN HEADERS which will apply whichever view you use including
    DETAILS. It's working for me.

    CH


     
    Chad Harris, Nov 26, 2006
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  10. I actually believe you.

    This doesn't give folder sizes in that column though, only for files.

    ss.
     
    Synapse Syndrome, Nov 26, 2006
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    Jeff Gaines Guest

    I appreciate that but what the OP said was :
    And I replied that I had never seen an entry for Folder Size on Explorer -
    folders don't have a size.
     
    Jeff Gaines, Nov 26, 2006
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    Jeff Gaines Guest

    The only problem with choice is you have to make a decision :)

    I still don't believe there is an entry for folder size though which is
    what the OP was implying.

    Have you noticed the column headers still show even when you're not using
    details view?
     
    Jeff Gaines, Nov 26, 2006
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    Jeff Guest

    Hey
    Nice Aero color!!
    lol
    Did ya get my correct e-mail?

    Jeffie-lol I said jeffie lol
     
    Jeff, Nov 26, 2006
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    Jeff Gaines Guest

    This is getting a bit convoluted!

    The standard behaviour for a ListView is that columns are only shown in
    details view. Have a look at Explorer in XP, you shouldn't see any column
    headers in any other view except details whatever column choices you have
    made. They don't make sense since the data in the ListView is not lined up
    with the columns. If I switch to an icon view in Vista the headers are
    still there and one icon is in a column called 'Name' and the next icon is
    in a column called 'Date Modified' and so on, it doesn't make any sense at
    all. Just switch between views and look at it :)

    I reckon an MS programmer has missed that completely and nobody has picked
    it up.
     
    Jeff Gaines, Nov 26, 2006
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    Chad Harris Guest

    Jeff--

    My intent of course was not to muddy waters. It basically was to focus
    attention on the one way I know to get the ability to list from among about
    130 or more listings for what you call columns.

    That's why I included the screenshot to focus on that lower left icon's
    right click and that I can choose List View and have no columns or whichever
    I want when I want bu invoking that list of checkboxes via the right click
    of that lower left icon> clicking the heading MORE.

    I will look at XP when I boot to it. I'm on Vista now. I may be able to
    open explorer on XP from my Vista desktop, and if I can I will.

    Meanwhile if I were you, and you think a developer has overloooked something
    I'd try to contact the Shell Team and you can do this via their blog and
    they can surely get your comments to the right people and hopefully get you
    some feedback.

    Again, in Vista I can choose List or any other category and completely
    control columns, eliminate them, or do whatever I want.

    I can do the same in XP and I use Show in Groups as well. I can list
    columns in any view or not, but the checkbox categories are about 25% of the
    variety and number in Vista.

    Contact Shell Team via this blog:

    http://shellrevealed.com/blogs/shellblog/default.aspx

    Best,

    CH
     
    Chad Harris, Nov 27, 2006
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    Jeff Gaines Guest

    I asked in one of the DotNet Groups if this change of behaviour was
    something developers should follow and got the following reply:

    ******************
    Hi Jeff,

    Yes, you're right. It is a change of behavior in Windows Explorer in Vista.
    No matter what kind of view we select for the Windows Explorer, the column
    headers are always displayed.

    I think one of benefits of this feature is to enable us to sort the
    listview in Windows Explorer by clicking the column headers.

    Maybe this is a feature that we will follow. But I am not very sure about
    it.

    ******************

    And it's right, now that the column headers show all the time you can sort
    the folder contents in any view - very neat!
     
    Jeff Gaines, Nov 28, 2006
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  17. Have you tried installing this with Vista? Does it work okay?

    ss.
     
    Synapse Syndrome, Dec 6, 2006
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    maclord Guest

    Tired of seeking work-arounds, patches, hacks and mods to everything
    Microsoft forgot copying from Apple, I connected a Mac to Windows
    network, set up necessary permissions, and viewed my Windows
    folders/files from the Mac OS X "Finder" easily in a list view showing
    every necessary single detail including folder sizes! either grouped or
    combined sorted by just size. Another way to easily figure out which
    folders are taking up the top space and in comparison to each other -
    so I knew what to delete or move with with priority.

    BTW, Folder size does not seem to work on Vista.

    -GO

    http://maclord.wordpress.com
     
    maclord, Nov 25, 2007
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  19. You want Mac features - get a Mac.

    You want Windows features (run programs that won't run on a Mac) get
    Windows.

    --

    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
     
    Richard Urban, Nov 26, 2007
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    jairama Guest

    Here is my 2 cents:

    if you have ever wanted to know the folder size of a folder in windows
    you would right-click - properties and then get the size. If you do thi
    for a large folder it will take some time to assess the size of th
    folder, sometimes up to a minute if it is many gigabytes.

    I've used foldersize.exe with xp and has served me well, however, yo
    will get much hd thrashing when using explorer when foldersize i
    enabled.

    i suspect the shell team opted NOT to inlcude this feature for the ver
    fact that it is quite hd resource intensive to add up all the files i
    every folder when browsing through explorer.

    I browsed the answers on this topic here, and was surprised at ho
    knowledgeable the replies were, yet did not answer the question, o
    appeared to have misunderstood the OP request
     
    jairama, Nov 1, 2008
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