Odd Index Search Results

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by ulTRAX, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. ulTRAX

    ulTRAX Guest

    Guess I don't understand Vista's Indexing Service. I started looking more
    into this because ever after owning this new PC for 11 days the HD is still
    way too busy. Since there's no other explantion I can find... I've shut down
    the updater, background download service... I'm not downloading or
    defragging. So what was left?

    To date it indexed 89,500 files. Yikes! I went into the file extension list
    and first took some 700 off the list. When it still came up with 8000 files I
    removed all search locations to zero. That brought the indexed files to zero.

    There are 4 file extensions that can't be deleted: msdvd, sfcache, slupkg-ms
    and weallowblocklist. When I removed all search locations, the total indexed
    files were zero.

    So I added one file extension... wps from MS Works. I figured I had about
    20 old Works files... and I set it to index My Documents. Well it's already
    indexed some 6000 files. Though I have it set to index contents, it would not
    find known keywords in the wps files it found. I did a search for "friends"
    and its bringing up folders with pictures. I did NOT have the search
    unindexed files option on.

    So why isn't the Index Service sticking to what files I told it to index?
    And why isn't it actually showing contents when I look for keywords?
     
    ulTRAX, Nov 15, 2007
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    brink Guest

    Hi ulTRAX,

    If you disable the Index, it will help your hard drive from not being
    so busy. Vista will default to using the non-indexed search. This
    tutorial will show you how. Plus, you search results will be accurate.

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/69564-index-enable-disable.html

    You might consider using the Search options that are shown here for a
    good thorough search.

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/75447-search-options.html

    Shawn


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    brink, Nov 15, 2007
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    Mick Murphy Guest

    Why didn't you just leave it alone to start with?

    It is a perfectly good Indexing and Search function in vista the way it
    comes.

    You are just too, too impatient to wait for it to set itself up!
     
    Mick Murphy, Nov 15, 2007
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  4. ulTRAX

    ulTRAX Guest

    LOL... so your idea of a decent Indexing System is for it to still be
    churning away 11 DAYS later... indexing some 700+ file extensions I have no
    need to know about? Do you SERIOUSLY think I need to have 89,000+ files
    indexed???? Perhaps it wasn’t even finished.

    I used to use Filehand with XP... a free program that when I search for
    keywords would show me them in context in whatever document it found them in.
    Now perhaps Vista's system CAN do the same... but by default the "index
    content" option was OFF. So I find it bizarre in the extreme that you would
    object to ANY users experimenting on their own PC to get the search results
    they want. If it can do what I want… fine… and it will run faster NOT having
    to deal with 88,000 junk files. If Vista's indexing system can't deliver...
    I'll shut the damn thing down.
     
    ulTRAX, Nov 15, 2007
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    John Hanley Guest

    May I suggest -- bring up your Indexing Options screen; click on Advanced;
    say yes to Continue; at the Index Settings tab click on Restore Defaults;
    then Rebuild. Stay off of your keyboard/mouse for about 20 minutes
    (otherwise it will see that you are using your computer and run very slowly
    in the background). I do this when I take a shower sometimes at night. The
    index will rebuild itself in those 20 minutes and run occasionally to stay
    up to date as things change. My index is currently at about 13,000 items
    and the searches are nearly instantaneous and accurate. And when I need
    something more intensive (like finding system or hidden files, etc.) there
    is the Advanced Search option on the search menu. But 95% of the time I
    find what I need via the indexed search; I like the Vista Search function
    very well. Hope this helps!
     
    John Hanley, Nov 16, 2007
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    Mick Murphy Guest

    Go and write your own OS; then you will have what you want, a heap of sh*t.
     
    Mick Murphy, Nov 16, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    With the default settings after days of indexing it can't find the
    contents of a file on the desktop...

    XP took a couple of minutes to find a file on a very full disk, maybe
    once a month I used it. Vista took several days of disk accesses in
    order to speed up searching (Allegedly) and for sure it was quick, it
    found nothing but did so approaching the speed of light. If those
    default settings aren't a faux pas I don't know what is...

    It's not the Search system being set up (as you put it), it's the darned
    fool hoping to get results :)
     
    Charlie Tame, Nov 16, 2007
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    Bill Yanaire Guest

    Have you checked into an anger management program in your area? Had any
    road rage recently?
     
    Bill Yanaire, Nov 16, 2007
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  9. ulTRAX

    ulTRAX Guest

    Why would I want to go back to the default setting? It's those default
    settings that included some 700 file extensions I had no need for... and they
    are what gave me those 89,000+ indexed files to begin with. My files are
    organized quite well. All I really want is to search is content of about 20
    different file types. But I can't get that to work just yet.
     
    ulTRAX, Nov 16, 2007
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  10. ulTRAX

    ulTRAX Guest

    Thanks for proving you're posts are not worth reading. A few things are clear
    from our little exchange.

    1: You make ridiculous unsupported claims.
    2: You’re intellectually incapable of understanding other’s experiences if
    they challenge your dogma.
    3: And when faced with logical objections to your ridiculous unsupported
    claims, your instinct is to get even more ridiculous.

    On the continuum of Vista Jihadists you’re at the bottom of the heap.

    And BTW… if a MS OS can’t even run year-old Windows software… what makes you
    think I already don’t consider Vista to be a “a heap of sh*t� Oh ya… but is
    sure has pretty lipstick.
     
    ulTRAX, Nov 16, 2007
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  11. Rather than changing the file extensions list, I would look at the locations
    that are being indexed. By default only the Users directories, Outlook
    stores, and client-side cached files are indexed. Also Windows Mail items
    are indexed because they are stored in your Users directory. Would that
    explain the 89,000 files you are seeing {or maybe you've changed the
    locations that are indexed to include, say, the whole of the C drive}?

    Unless you have millions of files in your Users directory I would be very
    surprised if under normal operation the indexer would take days to index. I
    would hit the Restore Defaults button in the Indexing Control Panel,
    Advanced and Reboot {this won't reset the file extensions list}. Then see
    what happens.

    Dave Wood
     
    Dave Wood [MS], Nov 16, 2007
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  12. ulTRAX

    ulTRAX Guest

    What got me interested in the Indexing Service was the HD was constantly
    thrashing about even though there was no apparent reason. As it turned out it
    was the Indexing Service. The 89,000+ files were on whatever default setting
    the Indexing Service was on. I removed the vast majority of file types and
    limited the search to DOCUMENTS. At least now the HD isn't going nuts all the
    time. I still have to toy with the settings to see if it can do what I want
    it to do.

    Tell me… if I do a keyword search for something inside a document… what’s
    supposed to come up? Just the file name and we have to open it and search
    within it? Or the keyword in context of the document… say a few lines of
    text?
     
    ulTRAX, Nov 16, 2007
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  13. Just the file name will be returned in search.

    Mic
     
    Michael Palumbo, Nov 17, 2007
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  14. ulTRAX

    ulTRAX Guest

    You're kidding. That's all it does? Even MSN Search... or whatever it's
    called these days shows a keyword in its context. I don't see the point. So
    it seems Vista indexing and search may be faster than XP search but it
    doesn't sound as if it's more helpful. The way it must work is to build a
    text index of all documents yet it doesn't sound as if it's putting it to
    good use. Even FileHand... a free utility that sadly doesn't work with Vista,
    showed keywords in context. Not THAT was helpful.
     
    ulTRAX, Nov 18, 2007
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