one reason why the operating system [Vista] is far less popular than its predecessor, Windows XP

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Clear Windows, May 20, 2008.

  1. Mmore proof that vista is less popular than XP, basically a big fat
    failure.... and well darn right stupid. UAC was a stupidly implemented and
    as I predicted, it would be turned off, or just
    pressed automatically without thinking. MS thought somehow that UAC would
    work... well I knew it wouldn't work after 3 seconds of using vista...
    Is Microsoft stupid for making UAC like it is? Well they made Vista, and
    vista is for dumbbells!

    http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/securi...win.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=43800

    Experts agree that Microsoft's Windows Vista is relatively well-protected,
    but its security features - such as User Account Control (UAC) - have been
    highlighted by security experts as one reason why the operating system is
    far less popular than its predecessor, Windows XP.

    According to Scott Charney, vice president of Microsoft's Trustworthy
    Computing Group, UAC was designed to give users more control over the
    applications they run and help them make better security decisions by
    providing them with more information.

    However, the main problem with Vista's UAC, according to Charney, is that it
    prompts the user far too often.

    "Clearly there has to be work done on UAC user prompts, where users get
    prompts at times they don't necessarily expect it - and it's not intuitive.
    The challenge is - as with many of these things when we try to give users
    control - if you give people too many prompts in too many situations, they
    view it as an impediment," Charney told ZDNet.com.au yesterday at the
    AusCERT security conference on the Gold Coast.

    Mikko Hypponen, F-Secure's chief research officer, said although security
    features in Windows Vista are impressive, UAC remains a problem.

    "There's not much we can criticise in Vista's security. Microsoft did a good
    job. UAC is not a bad idea by itself, but I don't see any way you could
    implement it in a way so it doesn't buck the user," said Hypponen.

    In a recent survey, security vendor PC Tools discovered that out of 1,000
    Vista-based PCs, 639 had been infected by malware in the previous six
    months. The company's managing director Simon Clausen blamed the high rate
    of infection on users that had switched off UAC because it was so annoying:
    "The majority of machines we see have UAC turned off if the user knows how
    to do it," he said.

    The difficulty with UAC, according to F-Secure's Hypponen, is that Microsoft
    assumes the user should have administrator rights, an issue that Mac- and
    Linux-based systems dealt with a long time ago.

    "Most Linux installations will say that you must create a user account. The
    big difference between a Mac and Vista is that, by default, on a Mac, you're
    not an administrator. On a Mac you only get prompted for root password when
    you're installing an application. Under Vista this happens a lot more
    because you have admin rights, so the UAC pops up often. Vista installation
    should end with [mandatory creation of] a user account with user access
    rights, not administrator rights," said Hypponen.

    Microsoft's Charney said that UAC was Microsoft's first attempt to break
    away from its tradition of users being an administrator by default.

    "Part of the reason UAC exists is we've been pushing people to the standard
    computing model. When you're an administrator on a machine, you have these
    all-powerful rights that also allow malware to do bad things. Increasingly
    we want people to be standard users.

    "At the same time, there are times you need to be elevated to administrator
    to install programs. UAC was an attempt to say let's run a standard but when
    you need a higher level of privilege, rather than doing that silently, let's
    involve the user in that decision. Clearly we have to do more work in this
    area," Charney added.

    Microsoft security architect Roger Grimes said that although features such
    UAC in Windows Vista are useful, some malware writers already know how to
    defeat them - and the rest will learn once UAC-type protections are
    ubiquitous.

    "Least privilege permissions are a part of a good defence-in-depth strategy
    but it's not the endgame. If everybody is logged-in not as admin or not as
    root, it is really not going to stop the malware in the long run ... malware
    is not going to disappear," Grimes told AusCERT delegates.

    Grimes added malware could infect a computer using various attack vectors
    but if the user is not an administrator, the attacks are generally less
    dangerous.

    "Can a malware program steal your password if you are not an administrator?
    Can [criminals] create a program that waits for you to log into your bank,
    authenticate and then take all your money? The short answer is, yes,
    absolutely," he added.

    According to IBRS security analyst James Turner, Microsoft's decision to
    sacrifice security for user friendliness has backfired on the company.

    "This is a tough legacy which Microsoft has been dealing with since the days
    of MSDOS. DOS was almost like a stripped back version of Unix and Microsoft
    left some of the cool stuff - things like file permissions - behind. So
    they've been dealing with this fairly fundamental void in their core ever
    since. Microsoft has always been the easy, user-friendly operating system
    and now this same ease of use has become a liability," said Turner.
     
    Clear Windows, May 20, 2008
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  2. ... well I knew it wouldn't work after 3 seconds of using vista...

    Will we certainly would not want to make any snap judgments would we??
     
    Joseph Meehan, May 20, 2008
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  3. Clear Windows

    Frank Guest

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    Actually, we all want to thank you for providing "proof on a platter"
    that you are in fact a brainless idiot moron piece of shit know nothing
    big mouth loser!...LOL!
    Thanks again!
    Frank
     
    Frank, May 20, 2008
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  4. Damn funny, nearly every time little Frankie numbnuts tries to insult
    somebody he shows his poor grammar and spelling skills.

    "...who is clearly and..."

    You truly are a moron Frank. Really you are.
    Hey Frank, this sounds a lot like you:

    Man fu*ks two sheep until dead in San Diego. Charged with a felony and
    found guilty.

    http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume01/038/776.htm
     
    Adam Albright, May 20, 2008
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