OT: I just bought a Core 2 Duo Apple Mac Mini Computer.

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by kevpan815, Sep 4, 2006.

  1. Why are you shouting at us in such large, bold type? Do you think we are liklier to see your post if you type this way?
    Apple`s Mac Intel units can NOT run Vista !! They can only run WinXP Pro or Home versions with SP2 " integrated " into the operating system. Service Pack 2 can NOT be on a seperate CD. The associated Apple Boot Camp software will ONLY accept WinXP SP2 and contains all the drivers necessary to run the M/S O.S. on the Mac machine. The Boot Camp software is necessary to set up the boot manager and options for this combined operation ......................... John
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Sep 6, 2006
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  2. The issue with Vista is that there are no Mac Drivers for Vista. Boot Camp only provides drivers for XP. I suspect that Mac Drivers for Vista will be available when Leopard releases next year.
    And I almost got one, just for Vista
    Apple`s Mac Intel units can NOT run Vista !! They can only run WinXP Pro or Home versions with SP2 " integrated " into the operating system. Service Pack 2 can NOT be on a seperate CD. The associated Apple Boot Camp software will ONLY accept WinXP SP2 and contains all the drivers necessary to run the M/S O.S. on the Mac machine. The Boot Camp software is necessary to set up the boot manager and options for this combined operation ......................... John
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Sep 6, 2006
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  3. You don't run XP in Boot Camp. Boot Camp only preps the Mac hard drive,
    sets up the boot options screen, and creates the driver cd for XP. XP
    itself run natively. It is very fast on the Core Duo and will be even
    better on the Core 2 Duo.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Sep 6, 2006
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  4. Interesting Colin, I thought Vista had some issues with EFI BIOS and Apple
    had restricted the support to only XP and would provide support for Vista
    only in Leopard.
     
    Andre Da Costa [ActiveWin], Sep 6, 2006
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  5. 1) XP does not "run in BootCamp". Boot Camp Assistant is just a
    utility to non-destructively repartition your OS X drive so that an XP
    (Or Vista) partition can be created by the XP or Vista installer.

    In addition, it is a simple boot manager, which hands the ENTIRE
    computer over to the XP or Vista boot managers.

    2) Unless you have personally tried it, don't jump out and make
    unjustified assertions. I have personally installed both XP and Vista
    Beta 2 on my Apple Intel PC (iMac 17") with 2GB memory. While XP
    runs like a top, and even BETTER and FASTER on my Apple Intel PC than
    it does on ANY of Wintel PCs I've ever owned, Vista Beta 2 ran like
    crap on it.

    In addition, XP is MUCH MORE stable running on my iMac than it EVER
    was on ANY Wintel I've ever owned. This is obviously because of the
    Apple's superior design and engineering. When I put XP to sleep, it
    doesn't die, as it ALWAYS did when I put it to sleep on a Wintel, but
    wakes up immediately with a simple key press or mouse press, as it
    should. Let's face it: Apples "Just work". PERIOD. With XP
    installed, they work BETTER.

    OS X, on the other hand, is certainly a "horse of a different color".
    That color, by the way, is almost entirely WHITE and GRAY. I almost
    vomit each time I boot into OS X. I don't understand why MacDroids
    love the OS X GUI so much.
    The only fans I ever hear on my desk are on the external Firewire and
    IDE HDS I have. Yet my Intel iMac runs so cool I can almost make ice
    with it (a little poetic license there, so don't try to accuse me of
    saying my Intel iMac is also an icemaker), even after running it all
    day.

    It doesn't take "Luck", my friend. It just takes the ability to
    FOLLOW DIRECTIONS.

    However, the drift is that it is now just as easy to install Vista on
    an Apple Intel machine as it is to install XP, since it is no longer
    necessary to delete the EFI partition on the Apple HD before Vista
    will install. Even then it was relatively simple to install Vista on
    an Apple Intel PC. Even I was able to easily do it.

    This has been reported by several who have successfully installed
    Vista Pre-RC1 as a dual-boot using Boot Camp Assistant 1.1 on their
    Apple Intel PCs.

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    Donald L McDaniel
    Please reply to the original thread
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    Donald L McDaniel, Sep 6, 2006
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  6. kevpan815

    Frank Guest

    So now you need to run virtual linux on windows on your mac. After that
    there's nothing left to do.
    Frank
     
    Frank, Sep 6, 2006
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  7. I think Parallels and the soon to be released BETA for VM Ware on Mac should
    take care of that. :)
     
    Andre Da Costa [ActiveWin], Sep 6, 2006
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  8. kevpan815

    Alpha Guest

    for OS X.
    Why would this be? This is a stupid evaluation based on emotion, not
    analysis.
     
    Alpha, Sep 6, 2006
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    Lang Murphy Guest

    Colin,

    Thanks, point taken.

    Lang

     
    Lang Murphy, Sep 6, 2006
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  10. kevpan815

    Lang Murphy Guest

    Donald,

    Point taken on how Bootcamp works.

    Point taken on you thinking XP works better on your Mac than on a PC. I
    think, perhaps, that the perception that XP is more stable on the Mac may be
    based on the fact (?) that Apple controls the whole deal, i.e., they write
    the drivers, as I understand it, and control other stuff that allows XP to
    run on a Mac. Point being that there are numerous gadgets and gee-gaws one
    might plug into a PC that one cannot plug into a Mac. That, of course, can
    be contrued as either a good thing or a bad thing. ;-)

    The Dell XPS 400 that I got to replace the XPS Gen 2 is quiet, fan-wise. I
    also have a GX620 here that is also very quiet, hardly know it's there
    unless it makes some system or app sound. The Gen 2 desktop's were notorious
    for their loud fans.

    Still... Mac's are an outrageously expensive platform for running Windows.
    If one has both Mac and Windows apps that one -must- run, then, and only
    then, a Mac makes sense financially, IMHO.

    Lang
     
    Lang Murphy, Sep 6, 2006
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  11. I haven't read that Apple has said they will provide drivers for Vista in
    Leopard. I just assume that they will. There is no reason for Apple to
    support Vista until general public availability and I sure don't intend to
    hack around with EFI.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Sep 6, 2006
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  12. An Intel Mac is just another PC that happens to also run OS/X.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Sep 6, 2006
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  13. kevpan815

    MICHAEL Guest

    Since I have not installed WinXP on a Mac, I can not
    offer a definitive answer. But, I know that my experiences
    with the last several PCs I have owned with them running
    WinXP Pro have been wonderful. Perhaps, it is because
    I don't install a bunch of crap. Perhaps, it's because I
    use hardware that is better than in most cheaper PCs.
    Perhaps, I am just a seasoned computer user and I know
    what I am doing.

    I do know this, if the world revolved around Apple and Macs-
    many consumers would never be able to afford a computer.
    The PC, and the mass production of it, has enabled millions
    of poorer or penny pinchers consumers to be a part of the
    computer/internet revolution. Let's not forget the millions
    who are directly and indirectly employed because of the PC.
    Those that make hardware, those that write software, those that
    build the PCs. Under Apple's heavy hand, strict requirements, and
    proprietary system- I'm not sure if computers would have ever been
    affordable to the masses. Up until now, with Bootcamp, I don't think
    Apple really cared about the masses.


    -Michael
     
    MICHAEL, Sep 6, 2006
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  14. I, for one, have never claimed greater stability on my Mac because that is
    not the case. There are problems yet that need addressing in a firmware
    update and the device drivers do have some issues. They are after all still
    beta drivers. There is an aura effect from finally seeing Windows running
    natively on a Mac but when that warm fuzzy wears off one is likely to
    realize that Apple still has a few things to do or fix before a Mac busness
    computer ought to be running XP as well. The big market here is the Windows
    notebook market and Apple can move nowhere but up in that one.
     
    Colin Barnhorst, Sep 6, 2006
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    Joe Ogiba Guest

    Today on the Apple Store: Mac mini

    $799.00 or as low as $19 a month

    Ships: 1-2 business days
    Free Shipping

    1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor

    That is not a Core 2 Duo, so were did you purchase a Core 2 Duo Mac Mini ?
     
    Joe Ogiba, Sep 6, 2006
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  16. After reading all of the posts in this thread that have accumulated over the
    last few days, I must say that it has really opened up a can of worms. I
    apologize to those whose read my post concerning WinXP SP2 only with the
    MacMini. I simply related what was posted on Apple`s own website in the
    blurb about " runs Windows, too ". That fact was also emphasized in the
    Bootcamp download instructions and in the Bootcamp installation
    instructions. For those of you who have successfully
    installed Vista on the Mini in conjunction with the Mac OS ----
    congratulations ! For those of you who chose to chastise me for my honest
    mistake - your total ignorance has not gone un-noticed - know what I mean,
    Don M ??? I have worked as a
    senior system administrator in the " unix " field for over 16 years and
    would gladly go " toe to toe " - or - " head to head " with you any time,
    Don.
    Next time, try to add a little constructive info to a thread and refrain
    from posting disparaging remarks about others. It is far more becoming.
    ........................ John.
     
    Administrator\\jhafele, Sep 6, 2006
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    mmmmark Guest

    If you do some looking around, several solutions exist to slipstream other versions of XP so that they will work properly.
    Apple`s Mac Intel units can NOT run Vista !! They can only run WinXP Pro or Home versions with SP2 " integrated " into the operating system. Service Pack 2 can NOT be on a seperate CD. The associated Apple Boot Camp software will ONLY accept WinXP SP2 and contains all the drivers necessary to run the M/S O.S. on the Mac machine. The Boot Camp software is necessary to set up the boot manager and options for this combined operation ......................... John
     
    mmmmark, Sep 6, 2006
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  18. Actually you are correct in what you posted.

     
    Colin Barnhorst, Sep 6, 2006
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  19. kevpan815

    Lang Murphy Guest

    Michael,

    Nice post; thanks.

    Yeah, I've not installed XP on a Mac either, so I can't compare. I have
    installed it on, hmmm... let's see... an eMachines T3062 (AMD... the only
    one), and a bunch of Dell's: XPS Gen 2, XPS 400, D400, D600, D610, D620,
    D820, GX240, GX260, GX280, to name a few.

    XP itself has been very stable on all machines. Apps blow up now and then,
    particularly my ATI TV software, but XP has rarely BSOD'd. In fact, I can't
    remember any of my personal PC's BSODing...

    I've got Vista running on 4 Dell's here; RC1 on a D620, D820, and a GX620
    and 5472 on a XPS Gen 2. Vista has been very stable on all PC's. Wish I
    could get RC1 onto the XPS Gen 2, but I'm sure that'll work out in the end.
    I'm typing this on the D620 which has 512MB's RAM and 64MB video RAM. It's
    probably the minimum on which one can run Aero, but Aero does run and
    performance is not as bad as I assumed it would be; OS response it quite
    good.

    Lang
     
    Lang Murphy, Sep 7, 2006
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  20. kevpan815

    Lang Murphy Guest

    In other words, "your milage may vary..."

    Thanks for another view on this... much appreciated.

    Lang
     
    Lang Murphy, Sep 7, 2006
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