Other computers can "see" Vista, but not vice-versa?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Networking' started by ohaya, Apr 11, 2006.

  1. ohaya

    ohaya Guest

    Hi,

    I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
    workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
    workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.

    I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
    from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).

    However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
    machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
    but they show nothing.

    Network map just shows:

    Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet

    No other machines appear.

    What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
    to Network Neighborhood?

    Thanks,
    Jim
     
    ohaya, Apr 11, 2006
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  2. ohaya

    ohaya Guest


    Hi,

    P.S. If I do "net view \\anothercomputer", I am getting an "Error 5",
    "Access Denied"...

    Jim
     
    ohaya, Apr 11, 2006
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  3. Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Apr 11, 2006
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  4. Have you checked that the non-Vista computers' firewalls allow the proper
    ports (UDP/TCP 135-139) in?
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    "ohaya" <> a écrit dans le message de ...
    | Hi,
    |
    | I have a new machine running Vista 5308. It is configured on a
    | workgroup named "MISNET". All machines in my home are on this
    | workgroup, and are homed on a NAT router.
    |
    | I've shared the C: drive on the Vista PC, and I can get to that C: drive
    | from other machines on my home network (Win2K and WinXP).
    |
    | However, from the Vista PC itself, I cannot "see" any of the other
    | machines in the workgroup. I've tried Network Map, Network List, etc.,
    | but they show nothing.
    |
    | Network map just shows:
    |
    | Vista PC -> gateway (my router) -> Internet
    |
    | No other machines appear.
    |
    | What else do I have to do so that I can browse my home network, similar
    | to Network Neighborhood?
    |
    | Thanks,
    | Jim
     
    Pierre Szwarc, Apr 11, 2006
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  5. I've found, that on ordinary workgroups that the \\computername works fine
    to access other computers, however once you put a Windows Server 2003 in
    there, for the first few restarts of the server you can only access
    computers via IP address...

    Very perculiar... this happened on the R2 beta as well :eek:(

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    Zack Whittaker, Apr 11, 2006
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  6. Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Apr 11, 2006
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  7. ohaya

    ohaya Guest

    Hi,

    Most of the "other" PCs in my workgroup are Win2K or Win2K server, with
    no firewalls running on them. I can browse (see) the various PCs among
    those.

    To be clear: On the new Vista PC, I can do a "map drive" to a drive
    that I've shared out on another non-Vista PC. And, the Vista PC shows
    up in Network Neighborhood or My Network Places on my other PCs.

    What I asking about is why I can't "see" or "browse" the other non-Vista
    PCs FROM the Vista PC. For example, when I go to Network Map or Network
    List, shouldn't those show all of the PCs on my workgroup, ala "Entire
    Network"?

    Jim
     
    ohaya, Apr 11, 2006
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  8. IIRC, Win2k will allow "browsing" in only if the login (name and pw) you're
    using on the client is defined as an account on the Win2k "server" machine,
    or the "Guest" account is enabled. The same goes with XP, in fact, unless
    you've enabled "simple file sharing", which is unavailable on Win2k.
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    "ohaya" <> a écrit dans le message de ...
    | Hi,
    |
    | Most of the "other" PCs in my workgroup are Win2K or Win2K server, with
    | no firewalls running on them. I can browse (see) the various PCs among
    | those.
    |
    | To be clear: On the new Vista PC, I can do a "map drive" to a drive
    | that I've shared out on another non-Vista PC. And, the Vista PC shows
    | up in Network Neighborhood or My Network Places on my other PCs.
    |
    | What I asking about is why I can't "see" or "browse" the other non-Vista
    | PCs FROM the Vista PC. For example, when I go to Network Map or Network
    | List, shouldn't those show all of the PCs on my workgroup, ala "Entire
    | Network"?
     
    Pierre Szwarc, Apr 12, 2006
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  9. "What I asking about is why I can't "see" or "browse" the other non-Vista
    PCs FROM the Vista PC."

    Thats because that aspect of networking is broken in Vista, the browser
    service is still being worked on. I am able to browse my XP machine though
    from the run command using \\mshome\normans-mob and it will take me directly
    the contents of the shared resources on that XP computer.
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    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Apr 12, 2006
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  10. It's because the Windows Server 2003 machine becomes the browser master for
    that workgroup (or domain) - it has a higher number when browser elections
    are held -- until it updates it's browse list you're going to see that sort
    of behavior.

    I usually have all my client computers dynamically update DNS with the
    server and let DNS handle that resolution

    Patrick

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    Patrick Elliott [MVP], Apr 19, 2006
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  11. ohaya

    Ben Macrow Guest

    I think thats the only way of doing it at the moment, thorugh the manual
    browsing. Remember networking is one of the sections haveing extensive stuff
    done to it so it will be a work in progress for quite a while i woudl have
    thought.
     
    Ben Macrow, Apr 19, 2006
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  12. Patrick Elliot told me that if you type in the computer name that you trying
    to access from Vista Start Menu search box, you will see the computer pop
    up.
     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Apr 20, 2006
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  13. ohaya

    Ben Macrow Guest

    Just tried that and i can confirm that typing \\computername into the start
    menu search box and hitting enter will indeed bring up the explorer window
    for that computer!

    Hoorah! I was having to use a trial version of xplorer2 pro till now!
     
    Ben Macrow, Apr 21, 2006
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  14. Thanks again Patrick. :)


     
    Andre Da Costa [Extended64], Apr 21, 2006
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  15. There were a bunch of issues which were fixed in browser post 5308. Please
    upgrade to the latest version and report if you are having these issues with
    a later build.

    Thanks ~
    Prashanth
     
    Prashanth Prahalad [MSFT], Apr 24, 2006
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