Passwords

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by AlleyCat, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. AlleyCat

    AlleyCat Guest

    I'm having a hard time password protecting one of my hotmail accounts. I've
    signed off of hotmail on every account, but one will not ask me for a
    password... it just keeps retrieving mail as if there is a password entered.
    I've turned off signing in and have given no password. Thanks.
     
    AlleyCat, Jul 1, 2012
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  2. AlleyCat

    ...winston Guest

    The sign in option in WLM is independent of the setting in any email
    account.
    Sign on connects to the Live servers to sync contacts and calendar data.
    Email accounts can send/receive regardless of being signed on to Windows
    Live services.

    For better help...you might wish to define what you mean by 'password
    protect' one your accounts. If other people are using the same pc, then it
    would be wise to create a separate profile for each user thereby protecting
    your entire windows account from being used by anyone else (but you).

    For starters...
    Uncheck the remember password option from your email account and then remove
    your password from the email account.

    FYI.....WLM syncs automatically on a pre-determined cycle...i.e. it polls
    all email accounts (configured to be included in a Send/Receive when
    checking for new messages). If you don't wish it to poll your account,
    disable the account from being 'Included' (Rt.Click account, Properties).


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    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "AlleyCat" wrote in message
    I'm having a hard time password protecting one of my hotmail accounts. I've
    signed off of hotmail on every account, but one will not ask me for a
    password... it just keeps retrieving mail as if there is a password entered.
    I've turned off signing in and have given no password. Thanks.
     
    ...winston, Jul 2, 2012
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  3. AlleyCat

    Ildhund Guest

    ....winston wrote...
    While that has always been the case since WLMail was first released, it seems to apply no longer. If the address of the Live ID used to sign in with is also used as a mail account, signing in in WLMail acts as a log on for the mail service. You can remove the password from the mail account and clear the /Remember password/ box, but if you sign in with the same address, the mail account will sync (if you opt to /Include this account.../). I'm not sure whether it's relevant that the mail account concerned is set as default.
    I have read somewhere in the past three months that authentication to the Live servers is no longer confined to the sign in/sign out process. If authentication fails for some reason, the cure is to remove and then re-add the associated mail account. It's something to do with refreshing the user credentials at the server end. Once done, that refresh seems to work until the mail account is removed or WLMail is updated. Try as I might, I can't find that reference (a blog post by a Softie, IIRC).
    I have been running for some time with an empty password box for the mail account whose address I usually sign in with. It makes no difference to synchronization.
    There is some evidence to suggest that users with persistent authentication errors (0x80048820 and 0x80048849) can clear them by removing the password from the mail account. Why this works in some cases and not others is unclear, but there does seem to be a possibility that the two authentication processes (sign in and sync) can interfere with each other. Removing one of them avoids interference. It seems that one or other or both of these errors can be thrown in consequence of a simple connectivity fault, and this only adds to the confusion.
    Another change that may be older, but that I've only noticed since the introduction of 15.4.3555.0308, is that signing in with a /new/ Hotmail-type Live ID will automatically set up a mail account using the same address. This ties in with the requirement to add an email account in order to post the authentication ticket to the server.
    Some users who have lost the contacts function following the mandatory update find that signing in restores it. Others have to remove and re-add the associated mail account. There seems to be no one-size-fits-all remedy, although it clearly matters whether the Live ID in use was also in use before, whether that ID is a Hotmail-type or not, and whether there is an associated mail account. That's quite a lot of variables.
    Linking access to the contacts and calendar servers to the state of a mail account is a fundamental change in WLMail's functionality that ought not to have been introduced silently. I'm guessing that it's related to the introduction of Microsoft Account for W8.
     
    Ildhund, Jul 2, 2012
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  4. AlleyCat

    ...winston Guest

    Email works (send and receive) with or without a sign in to Windows Live
    services.
    - The sign option in WLM is independent of the setting in the email account.

    Change your Hotmail type account's or any 3rd party Live ID's http server
    to http://any

    Enable logging...you'll get a better understanding of how auto polling and
    username/pw handshake occurs and external to an account's configuration
    settings.

    WLM is pre-programmed to setup a variety of email accounts.
    - if a 3rd party Live ID is used to sign on (to Live) and WLE bits contain
    the necessary info the account will be added (i.e. not just limited to
    Hotmail type accounts). Iirc, first noticed in 15.3.2717.520

    Afaik, the op wasn't asking about his/her contacts thus the reference to
    lost contacts due to the upgrade doesn't appear to be relevant to his query.

    <qp>
    Linking access to the contacts and calendar servers to the state of a mail
    account is a fundamental change in WLMail's functionality that ought not to
    have been introduced silently.
    </qp>
    --> can't repro.


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    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "Ildhund" wrote in message
    ....winston wrote...
    While that has always been the case since WLMail was first released, it
    seems to apply no longer.
     
    ...winston, Jul 4, 2012
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  5. AlleyCat

    Ildhund Guest

    ....winston wrote...
    That's always been the case.
    How then do you explain the OP's experience? I'm suggesting that if the user is signed in - with a view to using a specific contacts list and calendar - then that sign-in is also valid for the associated mail account. He is not asked for his credentials to access his mailbox. That, to me, suggests a change in the authentication process from before, when there was no link between a particular mail account and a particular Live ID used to sign in with. The 'independence' has been erased.
    As I said, I'd never come across the behaviour before. However, I just performed a little test. I set up a new Gmail account. I then registered it as a Live ID. Having confirmed it, I successfully signed in with it in WLMail. No new mail account was set up.
    Agreed. But I stand by my statement nonetheless:
    which /is/ relevant. It probably explains why he can't make the account "ask me for a
    password".
     
    Ildhund, Jul 4, 2012
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  6. AlleyCat

    ...winston Guest

    Same response..it hasn't mattered since 15.3.2717.520 (May 2010)
    Sign in doesn't matter either.

    Fyi..the op never stated when 'it' keeps retrieving mail.
    S/R auto, manual, auto poll.

    Regarding Gmail account.
    Register the Gmail as a Live ID, open WLM in no sign on mode...use that
    Gmail Live ID to sign on in WLM. A Gmail email account will be created (iirc
    default creation is IMAP). Do the same with a Yahoo account (should be
    Pop3).
    - if QFE 3 on yours doesn't work like the above, then something is corrupted
    or interfering or country specific.



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    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "Ildhund" wrote in message
    ....winston wrote...
    That's always been the case.
    How then do you explain the OP's experience? I'm suggesting that if the user
    is signed in - with a view to using a specific contacts list and calendar -
    then that sign-in is also valid for the associated mail account. He is not
    asked for his credentials to access his mailbox. That, to me, suggests a
    change in the authentication process from before, when there was no link
    between a particular mail account and a particular Live ID used to sign in
    with. The 'independence' has been erased.
    As I said, I'd never come across the behaviour before. However, I just
    performed a little test. I set up a new Gmail account. I then registered it
    as a Live ID. Having confirmed it, I successfully signed in with it in
    WLMail. No new mail account was set up.
    Agreed. But I stand by my statement nonetheless:
    which /is/ relevant. It probably explains why he can't make the account "ask
    me for a
    password".
     
    ...winston, Jul 5, 2012
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