PDC/BDC

Discussion in 'Server Networking' started by New Administrator, Feb 16, 2007.

  1. I have a SBS 2003 server thats running AD and Sharepoint services. I recently
    purchased a SBS 2003 r2. I would like to configure the new computer as a BDC.
    I wasn't exactly sure how to do it. can someone please steer me on the right
    path.
     
    New Administrator, Feb 16, 2007
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  2. There is no such thing as a BDC in AD.

    AD DCs operate in multimaster mode.

    SBS is a beast of it's own. You might get a better answer asking in
    microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs


    hth
    DDS
     
    Danny Sanders, Feb 16, 2007
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  3. There is no such thing as a BDC or a PDC since NT4.0.
    Beginning with Windows Server 2000 there is a "PDC FSMO Role" but that is not
    the same thing. There is no "BDC Role" at all.

    1. SBS *requires* always being the DC with the PDC Role.
    2. SBS allows having other DCs as long as SBS "runs the show"
    3. SBS will *not* join an existing Domian
    4. SBS will *not* establish a trust with other Domains.
    5. Item #3 pretty much makes item #2 pointless.
    6. There are some third-party, non-Microsoft solutions to get around some of
    those limitations for the sake of disaster recovery,...this is very good
    considering that SBS's limitations has given new meaning to the "disaster" in
    Disaster Recovery.

    --
    Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
    my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
    with me, including my cats.
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    Phillip Windell, Feb 16, 2007
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  4. Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't understood.
    (PDC) Primary Domain Controller / (BDC) Backup Domain Controller. The main
    thing I want to do is have the new server backup the older server incase of a
    disaster.

     
    New Administrator, Feb 16, 2007
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  5. Thanks for the replies, I just wanted to clarify incase i wasn't
    When installing Win 2k3 there is no option to choose BDC like when
    installing NT 4.0.

    If Phil is correct about this part:
    Your going to have other problems like exchanging your recently purchased
    Win 2k3 SBS R2 media for Win 2k3 media.


    hth
    DDS



     
    Danny Sanders, Feb 16, 2007
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    Danny, I agree with Phillip. You can't join an SBS domain controller to
    another SBS domain.

    Also to the "New Admisntrator":
    THere is NO such thing as a PDC or BDC. There is a PDC Emulator role, but
    not as what you are thinking of as an NT4 term. The NT4 terminology is gone
    when it comes to AD. All domain controllers are replicas.

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    Ace Fekay [MVP], Feb 18, 2007
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  7. Same answer I already gave.

    --
    Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
    my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
    with me, including my cats.
    -----------------------------------------------------
     
    Phillip Windell, Feb 19, 2007
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  8. I also saw this http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/884453

    This looks like...what i'm trying to do. If you think its not please explain.

    Thanks again!


     
    New Administrator, Feb 20, 2007
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  9. Phil,

    Thanks for hangin in there with me. What would you recommend?

    6. There are some third-party, non-Microsoft solutions to get around some of
    those limitations for the sake of disaster recovery,...this is very good
    considering that SBS's limitations has given new meaning to the "disaster" in
    Disaster Recovery. "

     
    New Administrator, Feb 20, 2007
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  10. No it is not. This article describes replacing the existing SBS with a new
    SBS,...this is not "backing up" anything. Look at the first paragraph:

    ---------------------
    This article does not intend to provide a migration solution. However, if you
    use the steps in this article to join an existing domain that already contains
    an SBS 2003 computer or an SBS 2000 computer, you will have to demote the
    existing SBS server by manually running Dcpromo.exe to remove the computer from
    the domain. This retirement process **must occur within 14 days** of adding the
    new SBS 2003 computer to the domain or the new SBS 2003 computer may display
    warnings and shut down periodically.
    ---------------------

    It is almost a waist of time to have more than one DC with SBS. The
    disaster/recovery techniques for SBS depend on making System State Full Backups
    (like with Tape Drives).

    You should be working with the SBS people in the groups specifically for SBS.

    --
    Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
    my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
    with me, including my cats.
    -----------------------------------------------------
     
    Phillip Windell, Feb 20, 2007
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    I agree he should be posting this in the SBS newsgroups. Those folks will
    help him more specifically.

    As for backing up, I would do just that, put in place a quality backup app
    like Backup Exec with full DR capabilities when it comes to SBS. Another DC
    in the domain is not the answer, since you can't add a new SBS to an
    existing non-SBS domain. It's not fun to rebuild an SBS box from scratch
    without a backup. We've got new customers because their previous IT people
    didn't know what they were doing. But rebuilding or reinstalling SBS takes
    almost all of Sat and Sun to rebuild, reinstall, etc, a whole server. It's a
    royal PITA.

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [MVP], Feb 22, 2007
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  12. My opinion, and it is just my personal opinion, is that SBS, as a product,
    should be dropped and replaced with a regular Server OS and find some other way
    to enforce their "licensing" restrictions. And I don't think ISA server should
    ever be part of it at all, and that the SBS box should never ever be
    multi-homed. If they want ISA, buy a box, buy the OS and ISA, and load it
    up,...separate from SBS

    It is sold under the idea that it is a prduct for small business that probably
    doesn't have full time trained IT person,...but the truth is that it takes
    someone with high IT skills *specifically* targeted to the SBS product to
    actually deal with the thing which causes them to have to bring in consultants
    or hire a trained person,...which defeats the whole orignal purpose to me. Even
    trained IT people don't know how to deal with the thing unless they have
    trained/studied specifically for SBS.

    --
    Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
    www.wandtv.com

    The views expressed (as annoying as they are, and as stupid as they sound), are
    my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft, or anyone else associated
    with me, including my cats.
     
    Phillip Windell, Feb 22, 2007
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  13. New Administrator

    Anthony Guest

    Couldn't agree more. Too much complexity. If you have say 20 users I would
    much prefer:
    - Regular OS
    - Standard IMAP server
    - Standard router with firewall filtering and VPN capability (e.g Cisco 877)
    Anthony
    www.airdesk.co.uk


     
    Anthony, Feb 22, 2007
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    I agree as well. I've never been too much of a proponent for SBS, but for
    many small businesses, it does the trick with SQL and Exchange. I know ISA
    is a tough one to offer as well and you're right, it complicates it.

    But I do like Exchange over a generic POP or even IMAP service. Just a much
    better product with lots of bells and whistles, features and options,
    especially with Office Outlook, as well as other connectivity options. Of
    course if all installed and configured properly...

    Ace
     
    Ace Fekay [MVP], Mar 2, 2007
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