PFS First Choice (yes there are STILL some people who use it) andVista

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by None, Nov 7, 2007.

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    None Guest

    First of all I'm wondering how many readers here have even heard of PFS
    First Choice. For you kids who haven't, it's an ancient office suite
    (word processor, spreadsheet, database, presentation and
    communications-as in computer-to-computer dialup!) that ran on MS-DOS
    and the early versions of Windows. My first computer (8088 processor,
    MS-DOS 3.3, two 5 1/4" floppy drives, no hard disk) came with it, and
    I've been using it ever since. Don't ask why.

    Anyway, I've moved up over the years to a MacBook Pro on which I'm
    running Vista Business virtually via VMWare Fusion. When one of those
    rare occasions when I need to fire up First Choice again comes along,
    Vista has taken to giving me the dreaded "run-time error R6009-not
    enough space for environment" message. I had this same issue in XP and
    the standard Google-derived remedies (tweak the memory settings on the
    MS-DOS executables) sufficed. The funny thing is that they also had in
    Vista up until just now. No matter how I set the environment, XMS and
    EMS memory values or the compatiblity mode, I still can't get First
    Choice to run. I saw some suggestions for how to edit the config.nt
    file in XP to deal with this (specifically to add a line specifying as the shell and allocating environment space to it), but
    they don't help in Vista.

    So, I'm stumped. I know Vista CAN run this program because it did for
    about four months. I can't think of anything I've installed that could
    have changed things to where I can't change them back. Anyone with any
    suggestions? If anyone has run into this with ANY old DOS program, I
    think hearing what you changed and how might help.

    And I don't mean to add insult to injury to anyone, but I downloaded
    DOSBox for Mac OS X this morning, and guess what? I can now use First
    Choice without starting up the Vista VM if I absolutely have to. I hope
    I don't, though. It worked better in Windows-when it DID work.
    None, Nov 7, 2007
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    glsj.dw Guest

    Your questions are not clear...

    I sugest you use DOSBOX,
    there is dosbox for windows too...
    glsj.dw, Nov 7, 2007
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  3. Thats what None is using now.
    Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin], Nov 7, 2007
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    None Guest

    Oh, sorry. I'll speak a bit more slowly. Is there anyone out there
    who's had the runtime error R6009 problem with PFS FIrst Choice or
    another DOS program in Vista and been able to fix it who can give me an
    idea of how to?

    There. Clear enough?
    So I've heard. But before I throw in the towel on the operating system
    software I paid for because it was supposed to be better, I'll wait a
    bit to see if someone here has a solution first. Besides, DOSBox isn't
    exactly a finished product. For instance, it doesn't support printing
    as of yet.

    Anyway, thanks for responding.
    None, Nov 7, 2007
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    MacArthur Guest

    Control Panel > System > Advanced System Settings > Environment Variables >

    Select the string: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe

    Edit it to include: ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe /e:2048

    OK yourself back to main screen and close Control Panel.

    Reboot and First Choice should work.

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    MacArthur, Nov 8, 2007
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    Dave Guest

    Sorry, None, I don't have PFS Choice, but I did dig up my 1990 version of
    Professional Write.
    I copied the contents of both floppy disks over, and it runs fine. Except
    for printing to my USB printer...

    And a 1991 version of Quattro Pro runs ok, at least for what little I tried.
    Dave, Nov 8, 2007
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    None Guest

    Sorry, it didn't. I tried bumping it up all the way to 32768 (correct
    me if I'm wrong, but I think that's still the maximum for the
    environment size) and it didn't help. And yes, I DID reboot after each

    Bummer; your suggestion was Vista-specific and really looked promising.

    Thanks anyway for taking a swing at it. Anyone else with an idea?
    None, Nov 8, 2007
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    User Guest


    Found this searching Google. May or may not help you but worth a try...

    [[[[[ I had the same problem. I have PFS:First Choice version 3.0 and am
    trying to run it on an XP system.
    I kept getting the infamous R6009 run-time error.
    I tweaked first1.exe memory settings and compatibility mode.
    Total: Auto
    Initial Env: 4096
    EMS: 16384
    EMS: 16384
    DPMI: Auto

    Compatibility Mode:
    Windows 98
    (all other boxes unchecked.
    BUT I found that I also HAD to do the following:
    cd c:\choice
    set HOMEPATH=c:\
    set PATH=
    Then I was able to run first1.exe from the command line c: first1.exe]]]]
    User, Nov 8, 2007
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    None Guest

    Yeah, this is what you've got to do to get it running in XP. As I said
    initially, I've already tried this in Vista with no luck. Thanks anyway.
    None, Nov 8, 2007
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    MacArthur Guest

    MacArthur, Nov 8, 2007
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    glsj.dw Guest

    I loved professional write...


    glsj.dw, Nov 8, 2007
  12. The official builds of DosBox do not support printing but there are
    unofficial patches. You should ask over at the Official DOSBox forums
    and we may be able to point you to a build that has printer support.

    Official DOSBox doesn't support printing because it's not really a
    game feature. If it is included in the official build in the future
    then most likely it will only print to images and not the host print.
    (There are unoffical patches for both printing to images and host
    ronald.phillips, Nov 8, 2007
  13. <It's nothing but ghetto goddess talk.>
    Adam Arrested Development Albright, Nov 8, 2007
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    None Guest

    Okay, I've got it working, and kudos to MacArthur who, true to the
    legacy of his (or her?) famous namesake, had us at least pointed in the
    right direction with the proper strategy.

    However, I've got to tell you that this process is not for the faint of
    heart. If you're running Vista natively, have a good backup and you
    probably need System Restore operating in case you hose things up like I
    did. (Since I'm running virtually via VMWare Fusion, I saved my bacon
    by simply reverting to the last snapshot I'd taken-which I'm thankful
    was recent.)

    What you do is go into Control Panel>System>Advanced System
    Settings>Environment Variables like MacArthur described, but instead of
    editing any of the lines under System Variables, you're going to DELETE
    some of them. The dangerous part is that deleting the wrong ones could
    leave you with a system you can't reconfigure, because every time you
    try to make a change you'll get a message that such-and-such executable
    or variable can't be found. I'd found this procedure mentioned in a
    Google search (the link to which I regrettably didn't keep) that brought
    up a discussion of a similar problem with a DOS program, but with XP
    instead of Vista. I remember that it said definitely NOT to remove any
    variables labled COMSPEC, PATH, CLASSPATH, PATHEXT, TEMP, or TMP, but
    all the rest were fair game. Well, at least in Vista, all of them aren't.

    After getting my VM usable and back up to date again, I went in and
    gamely deleted the variables that looked nonessential one by one (mostly
    dealing with the processor and a few rarely-used programs; I wish I'd
    kept more detailed notes, but...), clicking "OK" on the box and trying
    to fire up PFS FC after each one. I hit paydirt after the third
    deletion, as I recall, and it's worked since. If I don't see any ill
    effects on Vista itself by this evening, I'll pull another snapshot and
    get on with my life.

    Anyway, thanks to all of you who tried to help. With the rather low
    signal-to-noise ratio this group seems to be afflicted with, your
    standout efforts are all the more valuable and appreciated.
    None, Nov 8, 2007
  15. What I suggest is to get an old computer such as an 8088 and install DO
    as the Operating System, then install first choice in it, you may als
    need an old printer, one that has the old printer cable to the PC, not
    USB. Then you'll have no problems. If you need a PC to do this, contac
    me at . I would love to have a copy o
    PSF First Choice actually several versions of it as I have old files o
    disk I need for my church mission, and my pc was stolen that had Firs
    Choice on it. I had versions 1.0 and 3.0 and need them. Call me (610
    800-3923 or email me if you can get me a copy. I tried to download PF
    First Choice from a website: but there is a problem wit
    the site, the webmaster put a captcha installed on the site, but th
    site will not show the captcha when I try to register. I have bee
    looking to purchase PFS First Choice but the company was sold severa
    times and I called the last known company, and they no longer make it t
    be sold and do not have a copy in archives. I really need copies of i
    badly because of the data bases I created with it. Thanx and God Bless
    Pastor William Barhors
    Baskets Of Faith Church & Mission
    pastorbarhorst, Mar 3, 2010
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    fcuser123 Guest

    cd c:\choice

    command c:\ /e:1024

    rem this is meant for starting First Choice after a fashion on an XP
    rem Run this batch file from prompt and it will change the Dos CLI to a
    pathless thing, C>
    rem Type first (for and you'll have your First Choice under
    XP (check path to program).
    rem The CLI won't be good for anything else. Type the full "exit" to
    XP and maybe for a Vista DOS CLI. All guesses and reports are about 32
    bit OS's.
    fcuser123, May 23, 2010
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