PowerPoint in WVPC

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by Karl E. Peterson, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. Running Office 2007 <gag> in Windows 7 x64, so loaded Office 2003 in a
    WVPC VM as I still need to support and develop for that platform as
    well.

    All is good except... When I flick PPT into presentation mode, it
    centers the show smackdab in the middle of the virtual display -- that
    is, spread across both displays and split down the middle.

    Anyone know of anyway to force it to use one or the other, as it does
    when it's installed native?

    Thanks... Karl
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Mar 29, 2010
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  2. Seeing no response in the VirtualPC group, I'm now thinking I should've
    also cross-posted over into a PowerPoint group as well.

    For the PowerPoint folks: WVPC is "Windows Virtual PC" which allows
    virtual XP machines to be setup in Windows 7. In this case, PPT2003 is
    being run "seemlessly", making it appear that it's running as an
    installed app in the Win7 install, rather than within the XP VM.

    Any thoughts or ideas or questions?

    Thanks... Karl
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Mar 30, 2010
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  3. Heh, well, sometimes it seems to work better than others?
    No. It just seems to use the entire virtual screen coordinates, not
    differentiating between individual monitors.

    As I google about more and more, it's starting to seem like a "known
    limitation/feature." For example:

    "Virtual application windows being centered across two monitors is a
    known limitation. The application opens in span mode and treats the 2
    monitors as 1 big screen, hence the centering."
    ~
    http://blogs.technet.com/windows_vpc/archive/2009/08/04/windows-virtual-pc.aspx

    (I can't tell if that's an official MSFT mouth speaking, there, or
    not?)
    These things are weird. They operate just as though they are installed
    on the host. Other than having the whole XP theme thing going on, with
    nary a sign of Aero, of course.

    Thanks... Karl
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Mar 31, 2010
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  4. Does it have the seamless operation?
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 9, 2010
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    Robert Comer Guest

    Hm. Use VMWare instead? ;-)
    Not quite as good as XP Mode -- it's called Unity, and it's also pretty
    slow. (it uses screen scraping rather than RDP)
     
    Robert Comer, Apr 9, 2010
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  6. Okay, that sounds a whole like running ordinary VirtualPC VMs. They've
    actually done something kind of crazy with what they now call "Windows
    Virtual PC" that can be added onto non-consumer versions of Windows 7.
    It makes it appear the software running in an XP VM is actually running
    on Windows 7. But it fails to pass along the separate monitor
    information. It's very cool, and at times very frustrating. Funny how
    that goes, huh?
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 14, 2010
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  7. Okay, that's good to know. So we're left just waiting for MSFT to
    accurately pass the monitor metrics through to the guest VM, then. :-(
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 14, 2010
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    Robert Comer Guest

    Okay, that's good to know. So we're left just waiting for MSFT to
    I wouldn't know, I never use extended desktop like that, however I don't
    think it's passing parameter that's the problem, it's probably the drawing
    technology. In VPC2007 it was a directdraw problem, but I don't know about
    WVPC.
     
    Robert Comer, Apr 14, 2010
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  9. I'd like to think, yeah. But given the difficulty I've had describing
    it, I wonder if it's risen to anyone's attention yet.
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/

    Once you get an "XP Mode" VM running, anything you put in the "All
    Users" start menu will show up in your host Windows 7 start menu, under
    the VirtualPC group, and can be fired up as you would any other
    "native" application. If the VM isn't already running, that starts up
    (in the background, unseen) first. The "seamless" app just runs as
    would any other, except that it's XP themed rather than all Aero'd out.
    <g>
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 14, 2010
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  10. I could find out definitely enough, I guess, by just writing up a quick
    little monitor enumeration applet and running it in that mode. But I
    think, from the time I've spent working with the monitor API, that it's
    pretty clear what's happening. The seamless apps are simply being told
    there's one monitor, and its dimensions are given as that of the entire
    virtual monitor which is the accumulamulated area of all physical
    monitors combined.

    IOW, say you have two monitors, side by side. Both running at
    1280x1024, with the 0,0 point at the upper-left of monitor 1, which is
    on the left. The coordinate space for the twp physical displays would
    be something like:

    0,0 1279,0 1280,0 2559,0

    *1* *2*

    0,1023 1279,1023 1280,1023 2559,1023

    (Hope you have a fixed-width font! <g>)

    But monitor "0" is the virtual display, that covers the whole thing.
    It's coordinates would be:

    0,0 2559,0

    *0*

    0,1023 2559,1023

    That's the one being given to the seamless apps, when they inquire
    about monitor dimensions. This also explains why their popup dialogs
    (msgbox's, etc) so often appear split between the two monitors.
    They're simply centering themselves on what they see as "the" monitor.
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 14, 2010
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    Chirag Guest

    In that case, for slide shows, all you need to do is resize the slide show
    to half of its width. I quickly wrapped this up in an add-in - WVPC
    Assistant - http://officeone.mvps.org/wvpcassist/WVPCAssistant10.exe.
    Install it within your WVPC instance. Now Whenever you start PowerPoint
    slide show within your WVPC instance, the slide show will be resized to half
    so that it shows up on the first monitor. Current limitations of the add-in:
    (1) It works only with 2 monitors, (2) Both the monitors need to be of the
    same resolution, (3) It doesn't care if you run it within WVPC or on regular
    Windows - it just resizes the slide show in first half.

    - Chirag

    PowerShow - View multiple PowerPoint slide shows simultaneously
    http://officeone.mvps.org/powershow/powershow.html
     
    Chirag, Apr 15, 2010
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    senn Guest

    You feel the minutes don't you? <g>.
    /se
     
    senn, Apr 15, 2010
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    Robert Comer Guest

    I very much understand what you mean, but I think WVPC would have to be
    multiple monitor aware (and assignable to specific monitors) for you to get
    what you want, and I'm afraid that's not the case. You can cheat by not
    using full screen mode and just sizing the window correctly I would think...

    I wonder if RAIL has this problem independent of WVPC...
     
    Robert Comer, Apr 15, 2010
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  14. Karl E. Peterson

    Robert Comer Guest

    Just saw a workaround in the WVPC forum, make your main monitor the
    rightmost monitor in the resolution settings and your seamless app will no
    longer span both monitors.
     
    Robert Comer, Apr 15, 2010
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  15. Yeah, the more I thought about it last night, that realization dawned
    on me. That would definitely seem to be the better enhancement
    request, but I'm guessing the odds of that are pretty darned low, huh?
    That works well, except with apps that decide for themselves. Like
    PowerPoint in slideshow mode. I'm going to try Chirag's add-in, and
    see how that goes, though.
    Whazzat?
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 15, 2010
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  16. OMG! That works! Where'd you find it?
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 15, 2010
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  17. Will give that a shot!
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 15, 2010
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  18. It's the /only/ way to run 16-bit apps in x64, for one thing. Also, it
    seems FrontPage is totally hosed on w7. And, one of the cooler uses
    I've put it to is this very one - having side by side installs of
    different Office versions. :)
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 15, 2010
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  19. Heh, on the first instance, yeah. But if you're like me, and will tend
    to have 3 or 4 FrontPage instances running at any given time, as well
    as a couple/few Words, Excels or PowerPoints, they start to pop just as
    quickly as any other. <g>
     
    Karl E. Peterson, Apr 15, 2010
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    Robert Comer Guest

    Yeah, the more I thought about it last night, that realization dawned on
    You never know, if you request it and give a darn good reason most people
    need it, they're pretty open to suggestions.
    RAIL is an RDP way of sharing application windows, it's not just a WVPC
    thing.

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc239612(PROT.10).aspx
     
    Robert Comer, Apr 15, 2010
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