Recommend a Security Suite

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by razor_303, Sep 3, 2007.

  1. razor_303

    razor_303 Guest

    I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
    purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews for
    the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.

    I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can buy
    that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware
    etc.

    I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've tried
    those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton for a
    while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either

    Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
    software?

    getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...

    Thanks
     
    razor_303, Sep 3, 2007
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    Dennis Pack Guest

    razor_303:
    I've been using Nod32 for a few years without any infestations. It
    doesn't come with a firewall or spyware program but in Vista built-in
    firewall works quite well, Defender is a fair spyware program. You may add
    SpyBot or A-Squared (both free) for spyware. The programs listed are Vista
    x86, Vista x64, XP and XP x64 compatible. Have a great day.
     
    Dennis Pack, Sep 3, 2007
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    Vigilante Guest

    I found Avast was the better of the systems available for anti spyware &
    anti virus.
    Very low use of resources.
    Any anti spyware and anti virus will slow a reboot but the system performs
    as well as it normally does without any AV programs installed with the Avast
    system installed. I tried Nortons, Trend, AVG, Macafee, PC Tools.... They
    all tanked my PC and processes so badly it isn't funny.
    Try it out.
    http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

    I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
    purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews for
    the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.

    I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can buy
    that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware
    etc.

    I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've tried
    those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton for a
    while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either

    Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
    software?

    getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...

    Thanks
     
    Vigilante, Sep 3, 2007
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  4. razor_303

    razor_303 Guest

    what about kaspersky's latest internet security software, i think its 7 im
    not sure, is it any good?
     
    razor_303, Sep 3, 2007
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  5. You'll get nearly as many differing opinions as you will responses.

    I'll start by saying that I don't think any security "suite" is a
    good choice. It'd be better to use smaller, less-resource-draining
    stand-alone products.

    I used, and recommended, Norton Antivirus and then Norton Internet
    Security, for many years, on Win98, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP, all without
    any significant problems. I had used McAfee prior to that. But it's
    been several years since I've been tempted to try McAfee products. Their
    quality seemed to take a steep nose-dive after they were acquired by
    Network Associates.

    However, when my subscription to Symantec's updates for Norton
    Internet Security 2002 came up for renewal (at a cost substantially
    higher than the preceding year's subscription), I decided to try less
    expensive solutions. I downloaded and installed the free version of
    GriSoft's AVG (http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php ) and the free
    version of Sygate's Personal Firewall
    (http://smb.sygate.com/free/default.php ). Both have proven to be
    easily installed, easy to use, and quite effective. Additionally, I was
    pleasantly surprised to see a small but very noticeable improvement in
    my PC's performance, once I'd replaced the Symantec product.

    Of course, since then, Symantec has purchased Sygate and ended the
    distribution of the free firewall. Fortunately, there's still
    ZoneAlarm, Tiny, Kerio, et al.

    A recent comparison:

    Retrospective / ProActive Test
    http://www.av-comparatives.org/



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    Bruce Chambers

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    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
     
    Bruce Chambers, Sep 3, 2007
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    Victek Guest

    I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
    I currently use a collection of free security applications. I like the AOL
    AVS (rebranded Kaspersky AV 6), so if I wanted a security suite I would
    definitely consider Kaspersky IS7. Have a look at the web site forum to see
    what people are saying about it. You can also download a 30 trial of the
    suite and test drive it:

    www.kaspersky.com

    I've had good experiences with ZoneAlarm over the years, but unfortunately
    the Vista version of the free firewall really slowed down web browsing on my
    system. For that reason I wouldn't consider their suite.
     
    Victek, Sep 3, 2007
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    Spirit Guest

    Use the Vista Firewall Start - type WF.msc into Search if you
    need the advanced features. If you need or want more Firewall
    then get a hardware solution such as a router to use with the
    Windows Firewall. Another software solution is a waste of money.

    Use Avast as your anti-virus and turn off any of the 7 "Providers"
    you don't use or need regularly such as Outlook, P2P, and Instant
    Messaging. I use only 3 of the 7 and its easy enough to turn on
    one of the others as needed. (Install all 7 and then turn off the ones
    you will not use regularly.)

    Use Windows Defender and supplement with SpyBot and Lavasoft's
    AdAware. Use the latter two as occasional scanners.

    Unless you have a very unusual setup those will provide all the security
    you really need and you haven't spent an extra penny.
     
    Spirit, Sep 3, 2007
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    Kayman Guest

    Good decision.
    Now do this (important!):
    Norton's own uninstall tool
    http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039
    As suggested on the site, you may wish to print out the directions before
    proceeding.

    If this doesn't work use this:
    Revo Uninstaller Freeware - Remove unwanted programs and traces easily
    http://www.revouninstaller.com/

    and/or

    RegSeeker
    http://www.hoverdesk.net/freeware.htm
    then use NTREGOPT to compact the registry then do a reboot immediately.
    http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt
    You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
    itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0905.mspx
    http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx

    Jesper's Blog
    http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx
    http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_johansson/archive/2006/05/01/426921.aspx

    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx
    "Outbound protection is security theater-it's a gimmick..."
    "...the Windows firewall will provide the protection you need..."

    Vista Firewall Control
    http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/

    Stimulating thought from Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User
    http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
    http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

    "Forget about paid versions, free AV/A-S ware are just as efficient and
    reliable!"

    Question:
    "Do you think that the free AV can be really as efficient that the other
    ones?"

    Answer:
    "Absolutely. In fact, when it comes to real efficiency, the ability to scan
    accurately for viruses without getting in the way of the rest of the
    computer's functions, some of the free ones are more efficient than some of
    the most expensive. For instance, Norton and McAfee, and even Trend Micro in
    some packages, are among the most *inefficient* applications out
    there,whereas Avast!, AVG, and other free offerings are among the most
    efficient. After that, it's a question of the definitions used, and whether
    or not they're free has absolutely no bearing on those stats.
    Understand, many of the best offerings are offered to home users for free by
    huge companies that make their money serving business and industry
    clients,and their logic is that the more home machines they can get
    protected,preventing them from becoming zombies that distribute malware, the
    better off business and industry are."

    Real-time AV applications (choose one (1) only).

    Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!
    Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom
    Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection. In
    fact, most of experts (incl. Norton) believe that scanning incoming and
    outgoing mail causes e-mail file corruption.

    In the case of Avast, choose Custom Installation and under Resident
    Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.

    Avira AntiVirĀ® PersonalEdition Classic - Free
    http://www.free-av.com/antivirus/allinonen.html

    Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition
    http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

    AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition
    http://free.grisoft.com/

    On-demand AV application (add it to your arsenal and use it as a "second
    opinion" av scanner).
    BitDefender10 Free Edition
    http://www.bitdefender.com/PRODUCT-14-en--BitDefender-8-Free-Edition.html

    A-S applications (grab'em all).

    The effectiveness of an individual AV A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and
    oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that
    cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple
    products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what
    another may miss.

    SuperAntispyware - Free
    http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html

    Ad-Aware - Free
    http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php
    http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html

    Spybot Search & Destroy - Free
    http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html

    Windows Defender _ Free
    http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

    Note: Windows OneCare as an anti virus software just isn't good at all. It
    has the lowest catch rates.

    Some more useful applications:
    Spyware Blaster - Free
    http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

    Rootkit Revealer - Free
    http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/RootkitRevealer.mspx

    Crap Cleaner - Free
    http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
    If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities uncheck
    "Windows Defender"

    CW Shredder - Free
    http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popup-Ad-Spyware-Blockers/CWShredder.shtml

    For your consideration:
    Ensure that you OS is current/updated/patched.
    http://www.update.microsoft.com/windowsupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

    Ensure that *all* software on your pc is current/updated.

    Practice Safe-Hex
    http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

    Read this also:
    So How Did I Get Infected Anyway?
    http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=27971

    Now stay safe :)
     
    Kayman, Sep 4, 2007
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  9. I am very much against using such suites, whether security suites, or
    any other kind. I believe that it's best to look for the best
    product(s) in each category. It is *not* true that because company A
    makes the best anti-virus program, you should therefore also use its
    firewall, anti-spyware program, etc.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 4, 2007
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  10. razor_303

    razor_303 Guest



    Ok good points made, so what are some good firewalls, anti-virus programs,
    and anti-spyware programs that i could buy that are the best at what they
    do, and i dont trust those free versions, i those kinds of people that
    believe that nothing is free, everything has a price. im willing to pay
    since it is for protecting my data and my school investment.

    thanks
     
    razor_303, Sep 4, 2007
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    Spirit Guest

    Point is there aren't any better than the free ones, at least not significantly.
    See my previous message.
     
    Spirit, Sep 4, 2007
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  12. I agree. I use the Vista firewall, the free Avast Anti-virus, and for
    anti-spyware, Windows Defender, Spybot Search and Destroy, and Spyware
    Blaster.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 4, 2007
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    Charlie42 Guest

    If memory and CPU usage is a concern, you should take a look at Eset's NOD32
    anti-virus/anti-malware. It's well known for going easy on a computer's
    resources.

    You should also use a proper firewall, both Comodo Pro and Agnitum Outpost
    are known to work well with NOD32.

    Until Eset release their full security suite in v3 (currently in beta), I'd
    go for one of the combinations above.

    Links:
    www.eset.com
    www.personalfirewall.comodo.com
    www.agnitum.com

    Charlie42
     
    Charlie42, Sep 4, 2007
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    pauncejones Guest

    Hi, One thing to note - Vista comes w/ an outbound FW, but it isn't o
    by default - it doesn't have any rules configured. To make it work
    you'd have to manually configure everything yourself, which seems like
    big pain
     
    pauncejones, Sep 4, 2007
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    PTravel Guest

    I lilke AVG, which also has a better firewall than Windows Defender.
     
    PTravel, Sep 4, 2007
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    Paul Adare Guest

    Windows Defender is not a firewall.
     
    Paul Adare, Sep 4, 2007
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  17. Sure. Windows Defender has no firewall at all.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 4, 2007
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    Victek Guest

    If memory and CPU usage is a concern, you should take a look at Eset's
    Keep in mind that Comodo's firewall for Vista is still in beta as well and
    pretty rough around the edges at the moment.
     
    Victek, Sep 4, 2007
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    PTravel Guest

    You're correct. I meant Windows Firewall. AVG will also replace all the
    functions provided by Defender.
     
    PTravel, Sep 5, 2007
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    Charlie42 Guest

    Sorry about that, Victek is right. Comodo PF 3 should be used only for
    testing at the moment. Outpost for Vista is also beta.

    However, NOD32 in it's current version 2.7 works with Vista. It's the
    upcoming Eset Smart Security suite who is still in beta.

    Charlie42
     
    Charlie42, Sep 5, 2007
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