registry cleaner for 64 bit

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Mister Scary, Nov 8, 2008.

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    Mister Scary Guest

    Such software does not exist, and it makes me angry. When I upgrade to
    Vista it will be to make the leap to 64 bit. But I will not do so if what I
    consider essential software does not exist to support the operating system.
     
    Mister Scary, Nov 8, 2008
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  2. Hi Mister Scary-
    No reason to get angry.
    Ccleaner will work for 32 and 64 bit, and it's free!
    www.ccleaner.com
     
    Gary Goldblum, Nov 8, 2008
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  3. Most experts would say that registry cleaners are entirely unnecessary, and
    often harmful.

    SteveT
     
    Steve Thackery, Nov 8, 2008
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    Ralph Guest

    not only experts.
    Having worked in tech support for two major companies, I suggest only one
    use for so-called programs.
    They *might* help stabilize a system for a short time, while recovering from
    serious problems, before a complete OS installation.
    (which would also remove the offending "cleaner", which should not be
    re-installed)

    The risk of damage to a critical OS tool is far greater than savings of a
    few bytes in the registry.
    Although many techs still use them, the company policy even 7 years ago, was
    to never use these things.
    I've had many a disagreement with all sorts of company policies, management,
    and authority in general.
    This one, from both direct and indirect experience, I agree with.
     
    Ralph, Nov 8, 2008
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    Rick Rogers Guest

    It's more essential that you not use any registry cleaner - they are
    probably the number one cause of problems in Windows machines. They
    frequently misidentify and remove essential entries, later leaving the user
    clueless as to why something isn't working.

    The only time one should use a tool of this type is when it is specific to
    removing the remnants of a program and is provided by the software vendor.
    Never, ever use a general registry cleaning tool - period.
     
    Rick Rogers, Nov 8, 2008
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  6. Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
    specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
    bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
    using a registry "cleaner?"

    If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
    be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
    specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
    all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
    the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
    to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
    multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
    your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

    The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
    the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
    device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
    registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
    loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
    confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
    each and every change.

    Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
    automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
    experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
    Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
    of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
    maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
    experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
    no matter how safe they claim to be.

    More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
    automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
    inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
    certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
    of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
    performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
    worth the risk.

    Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
    every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
    And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
    good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
    real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
    effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
    non-existent benefits.

    I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
    of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
    useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
    any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
    registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
    Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
    in the hands of the inexperienced user.

    A little further reading on the subject:

    Why I don't use registry cleaners
    http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=643

    AumHa Forums • View topic - AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry
    Cleaner?
    http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099


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    Bruce Chambers, Nov 8, 2008
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    Victek Guest

    Such software does not exist, and it makes me angry. When I upgrade to
    Why do you feel a registry cleaner is essential?
     
    Victek, Nov 8, 2008
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    usasma Guest

    IMO the only registry cleaner that's worth using is one that makes you choose
    each and every item to "clean" - if it automates the process there's a chance
    of error. And I've experienced my share of errors with them - that's why I
    don't use or recommend them to anyone.

    - John
     
    usasma, Nov 8, 2008
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  9. You don't need a registry cleaner; in fact registry cleaners cause more
    problems than they actually cure. I don't use a registry cleaner and haven't
    done so since Windows XP. My philosophy is 'if you can't edit the registry
    manually, then leave well alone.'

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    John Barnett MVP, Nov 8, 2008
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    Robert Moir Guest

    Why would a lack of harmful software make you angry? For most people, it's
    the other way around.
     
    Robert Moir, Nov 9, 2008
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    Mister Scary Guest

    They are useful when uninstalls don't go smoothly. The technique I used in
    the past was to go through the registry and edit it
    by hand when I had problems.

    There are two registry cleaners from Microsoft Gold Certified Partners.
    Uniblue Registry Booster and Systweak Advanced
    System Optimizer. I have used Registry Booster many times and not had any
    problems with it.
     
    Mister Scary, Nov 9, 2008
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    andysacks Guest

    andysacks, Nov 22, 2008
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    Gordon Guest

    And like all registry cleaners is snake oil and a waste of time and disk
    space.
     
    Gordon, Nov 23, 2008
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  14. Registry cleaners do more harm than good. There isn't one that is consistent
    They are best left well alone.

    I recently was asked to look at Wise Registry Cleaner and Regcure. Both
    produced so many false positives it was unbelievable. On the first run Wise
    informed me that 450 registry items needed deleting. After deleting these
    (without checking, because that's what most people do (and this was a test
    machine)), Luckily the PC restarted. The next step was to try Regcure which
    came up with a whopping 1800 entries to delete. Quite a big difference, you
    will agree.

    My motto is 'if you are not competent to edit the registry manually, then
    leave well alone.'


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    John Barnett MVP, Nov 23, 2008
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    andysacks Guest

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    Gordon Guest


    Never heard of him. Who is Mark Russinovich? Does he post here as MVP? Not
    that I've seen......
    And IMHO they are STILL snake oil. Yes I've tried them from 95 up to XP and
    had NO appreciable increase in performance....
     
    Gordon, Nov 23, 2008
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    Dave T. Guest


    Who is Mark Russinovich? Google is your friend. If Mark says it, it's
    true. The important thing here is that most knowledgeable people will
    say to stay away from cleaners. An important point is that Mark, in his
    blog, was fixing a definite problem not just general cleaning. Another
    point is that Mark knows what the hell he's doing. Most of us don't. The
    only reason I can think of for not using cleaners (I don't) is that if
    you don't know what you're doing you will destroy your OS, so I agree
    with you that they shouldn't be used unless you need to solve a problem.

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    Dave T., Nov 23, 2008
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    Gordon Guest

    I was being sarcastic, in that "andysacks" assumed that we ALL know who he
    is.....


    The important thing here is that most knowledgeable people will
    Most of them tend to be advertised as "tune-up" utilities, not as specific
    problem solvers... ;-)
     
    Gordon, Nov 23, 2008
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