Registry Cleaner

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Greg, Jun 18, 2007.

  1. Greg

    Greg Guest

    Is there a need for a registry cleaner in Vista? If I have over a period of
    time, added and removed programs? Does the registry become cluttered with
    leftover entries? Does this slow down performance over a period of time?
     
    Greg, Jun 18, 2007
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    kurtiscragun Guest

    windows advanced care professional 2 is a great piece of freeware get it at

    http://www.iobit.com/

    Advanced WindowsCare Personal 100% Freebie
    It does a clean registry sweep as well as spy and adware and temp files. It
    made my system run loads faster the disable startup programs options is great
    as well. hope it helps .
     
    kurtiscragun, Jun 18, 2007
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    Hertz_Donut Guest


    No, it is a worthless piece of garbage. It does absolutely nothing that the
    average user can't do for themselves.

    Don't waste any time or money on it...

    Honu
     
    Hertz_Donut, Jun 18, 2007
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  4. Greg

    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi Greg,

    There's been no use for generic registry cleaners since XP was released. The
    registry bloat and issues associated with "dead" entries simply do not occur
    with this kernel as they did with earlier ones (although advertisers would
    have you believe otherwise). There is a use for program-specific ones, like
    those that remove interfering bits of incompatible software, spyware,
    viruses, etc. Generic ones often misidentify bits and delete them which can
    lead to unwanted issues.
     
    Rick Rogers, Jun 18, 2007
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  5. Greg

    Rock Guest

    No, automated registry cleaners are not needed in either XP or Vista. They
    are mostly snake oil products. Unused/orphaned entries in the registry do
    not, as a rule, create problems. If there is an issue related to the
    registry the best way to resolve it is to manually edit/remove the problem
    entry.

    The only way to use a registry cleaner is to let it scan but not fix the
    "problems" it finds. Then research a particular "problem" to see if a
    change is needed, then make those individual changes.

    Bottom line, don't bother with them. they cause more problems then they
    resolve.
     
    Rock, Jun 18, 2007
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  6. A safe registry cleaner does not clean thoroughly, and a stringent registry
    cleaner can stop programs and the OS in their own tracks.. your call..


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    Mike Hall - MVP, Jun 18, 2007
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  7. If you are not able to edit the registry manually, then don't bother with
    third party registry cleaners. By manually editing the registry you know
    'exactly' what you are removing. in most cases third party registry cleaners
    create so many false positives and don't always delete the entries you want
    anyway.

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    John Barnett MVP, Jun 18, 2007
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    Richard Guest

    Microsoft does have a registry cleaner. You can run it on line by going to
    live.onecare and then go to the on live scan utility. It is still in beta
    for Vista, but it works.

    Richard
     
    Richard, Jun 18, 2007
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  9. Greg

    Greg Guest

    Thanks Rick.

     
    Greg, Jun 18, 2007
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  10. Greg

    Greg Guest

    Thanks everyone for the information. I tried to do a search for a if
    registry cleaners were necessary. But all I got were ads for the registry
    cleaners themselves. That should have told me right off.
     
    Greg, Jun 18, 2007
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  11. Yes, but...


    ....no it doesn't.

    I strongly recommend *against* the routine use of registry cleaners.
    Routine cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave
    the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what
    many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try
    to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
    you.

    The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
    removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
    it may have.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jun 18, 2007
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  12. Can I just pop in here and confirm something please from those who know
    much more than me? I have Vista Home Premium clean installed on my
    desktop. Used to run XP Pro on the same machine. I would regularly use a
    freeby called Regscrubber on XP, and it almost always threw up a list of
    errors, dead entries etc, which it would deal with smartly. In all the
    years I used it I never had a single reg problem. (well, not that I knew
    of anyway <smile>) I never saw any improvement in performance after
    using it either, but it "felt good" if you know what I mean.

    Then I upgraded to Vista Home prem and was unsure about Regscrubber. I
    gor a utility called Registry Mechanic (on a freeby offer) and have been
    using it about once a week. I've had lots of programs on and off the
    machine, finding out which are usable with Vista and which are not. Reg
    Mech always comes up with a list of things to clean up, and I let it do
    that. So far I have had no issues, but I am concerned at reading the
    previous posts in this thread. Maybe Vista's own built in
    "idiot-proofing" is protecting it from this "idiot". Appreciate any
    comments.
     
    Peter in New Zealand, Jun 18, 2007
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  13. It has nothing to do with Vista in particular. Registry cleaners are
    just as dangerous in XP.

    The issue isn't that every time you use a registry cleaner you will
    have a problem. In fact in many cases, you can run one and nothing bad
    will happen. Your experience attests to that.

    Nevertheless,

    1. *No* registry cleaner is completely safe.

    2. There is *no* need to run a registry cleaner. Having unused
    registry entries doesn't really hurt you. Again your experience
    attests to that when you say "I never saw any improvement in
    performance after using it either."

    Taking those points together, to me it's simply foolhardy to use any
    registry cleaner. You run a risk (large or small, assess it however
    you want, but it's not zero) in return for *no* benefit. "Feeling
    good" about the registry is not worth the risk.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jun 18, 2007
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    Cal Bear '66 Guest

    I totally agree -- registry cleaners are dangerous indeed. I will never use one
    again.

    In XP, I used one of the more popular and highly rated reg cleaners and let it
    do a "basic" scan including a backup. After it completed, XP was totally and
    absolutely unusable. The restore from backup did not work, and I had to
    reformat and reinstall XP and all my applications.

    NEVER AGAIN will I use a registry cleaner.

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    I Bleed Blue and Gold
    GO BEARS!


     
    Cal Bear '66, Jun 18, 2007
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  15. Thank you both for helping me to clarify my thinking on this matter. I
    remember the days of W95 and Microsoft's Regclean that we nervously
    poked this mysterious new "thing" called the registry with. But you are
    right. RM is herewith uninstalled (at least it was a freebie - grin).

    BTW, a little off topic, but Cal, your sig mentions blue & gold. Just
    curious 'cause away down here in Otago in the deep south of New Zealand,
    our Otago rugby team's colours are blue and gold. (and they ain't doin'
    so well at the mo' either). Where are your colours from - if you don't
    mind me asking?
     
    Peter in New Zealand, Jun 18, 2007
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    Cal Bear '66 Guest

    New Zealand -- wow, what a spectacularly beautiful country -- some of the best
    scenery in the whole world.

    Blue and Gold are the colours of the California Golden Bears of the University
    of California, Berkeley. Yes, THAT Berkeley.

    I'm not much into sports -- would rather count the number of Nobel laureates on
    the faculty -- but Cal has NCAA champion water polo teams and last year we went
    to one of the bowl games (can't recall which however).
     
    Cal Bear '66, Jun 18, 2007
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    Rock Guest

    It was added as a marketing ploy, in my opinion, and they took alot of flak
    in Beta on their decision to include a registry cleaner. Why did they take
    flak? Because as many have posted in these threads it is not a wise thing
    to do.
     
    Rock, Jun 19, 2007
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  18. Greg

    Rock Guest

    Exactly.

    <snip>
     
    Rock, Jun 19, 2007
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  19. Absolutely not! (Just as there was no "need" for such snake oil
    products with earlier versions of Windows.)

    If the uninstallers for the removed programs didn't clean up properly,
    there will be some orphaned registry entries. Just what constitutes
    "clutter" is entirely subjective, though.


    Not that anyone has ever been able to prove, no.

    Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What specific
    *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's bogus
    listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by using a
    registry cleaner?

    If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
    be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
    specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
    all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
    the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
    to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
    multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
    your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

    The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
    the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
    device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
    registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
    loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
    confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
    each and every change.

    Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
    automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
    experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
    Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
    of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
    maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
    experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
    no matter how safe they claim to be.

    More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated, to my satisfaction,
    that the use of an automated registry cleaner, particularly by an
    untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good. There's
    certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
    of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
    performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
    worth the risk.



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    Bruce Chambers, Jun 19, 2007
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  20. Yay! Well that definitive statement ties it all up pretty well. And they
    were so much fun to use. Sigh! Seriously though Bruce and others, thanks
    for this discussion. This thread has clarified the issue for me well.
     
    Peter in New Zealand, Jun 19, 2007
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