Registry Cleaner

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  1. mchjr01

    mchjr01 Guest

    I just upgraded my desktop to Vista Ultimate and my question is: Is there a
    registry cleaner on Vista comparable to the regclean.exe on XP?

    Thank you,

    Mike
     
    mchjr01, Jan 23, 2008
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    Rick Rogers Guest

    Hi Mike,

    Do not, I repeat, do not, run a registry cleaner on Vista. Many of them have
    been found to remove necessary entries that they deem unneeded causing a
    whole host of problems. Unlike older versions of Windows, registry bloat is
    not an issue in Vista (and really wasn't in XP either), and dead entries are
    simply ignored. The only registry cleaning tool you should consider using is
    one that is application specific and designed for use in Vista.
     
    Rick Rogers, Jan 23, 2008
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    Mark Guest

    I run a registry cleaner about once a month on Vista Ultimate x64 without
    any problems for the last year. I think I do it just to see what it finds.
    Occassionally, I actually open the registry and just start manually deleting
    links to programs I actually know no longer exist. While it may make me feel
    more efficient, it really does not improve anything.

    That said, here are the major issues:

    1. When a program uninstalls, it usually fails to remove any registry
    entries. Sometimes, this is to keep your license active. Sometimes, this is
    to prevent uninstalling links to files that are shared. Usually, the
    programmers are simply lazy.
    2. Uninstalling is usually an automatic process and look at how well it
    works on removing all the files that were originally installed. Do you want
    an unrelated, automatic process doing the same thing to your registry?
    3. Overall, there is little, if any improvement made by running these
    registy cleaners. It's a placebo. Does your computer run more efficiently by
    removing files that are never used? How many fonts do you have... how many
    do you use?

    The only way to truly clean up the hive is to restore a backup of your
    machine to a "clean" state, or reinstall Vista. Neither of which is usually
    very convenient. Even then, the registry will have a lot of garbage in it
    that is never used or points to dead functionality, just like the files on
    the hard drive. The risk of damage to the registry is far greater than any
    benefit received by "cleaning" it.
     
    Mark, Jan 23, 2008
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    Dwarf Guest

    Hi Mike,

    I do not recommend the use of so-called registry cleaners as they can cause
    more problems than they claim to solve. Entries in the registry which are not
    in use by the operating system or by any active applications are simply
    ignored. I refer you to the post 'Registry Booster' in the newsgroup 'Windows
    Vista General Discussion' (dated 1/21/2008). Although this post refers to
    'Uniblue Registry Booster', thye advice given in this thread applies equally
    to all other so-called registry booster/cleaners. A link to this post is
    given below.
    Dwarf

    http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...b763&mid=e700cc44-4b60-45ff-9a20-436b6137b763
     
    Dwarf, Jan 23, 2008
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  5. Registry cleaners are not necessary and I certainly wouldn't advice using
    one. My advice is 'if you are not competent enough to manually remove item
    from the registry, then don't bother.' Most of the so called registry
    cleaners produce so many false positives that neither the user or the
    software knows what it's doing.

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    John Barnett MVP, Jan 23, 2008
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    May Guest

    'Clean my PC' works fine on Vista64
     
    May, Jan 23, 2008
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  7. Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
    specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
    bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
    using a registry "cleaner?"

    If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
    be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
    specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
    all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
    the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
    to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
    multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
    your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

    The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
    the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
    device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
    registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
    loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
    confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
    each and every change.

    Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
    automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
    experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
    Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
    of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
    maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
    experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
    no matter how safe they claim to be.

    More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
    automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
    inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
    certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
    of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
    performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
    worth the risk.

    Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
    every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
    And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
    good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
    real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
    effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
    non-existent benefits.

    I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
    of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
    useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
    any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
    registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
    Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
    in the hands of the inexperienced user.


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    Bruce Chambers, Jan 24, 2008
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  8. On either XP or Vista, I strongly suggest you avoid using any registry
    cleaning program. They are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry
    isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use
    any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors
    of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

    The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
    removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
    it may have.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Jan 24, 2008
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    Victek Guest

    I just upgraded my desktop to Vista Ultimate and my question is: Is there
    While I agree that registry "cleaning" produces no perceivable benefit and
    will very likely do damage, I wonder about registry compactors (sometimes
    called registry defraggers)? It's seems safe to compact the registry by
    removing empty space. I don't know if this improves the integrity of the
    registry or produces any measurable improvement in performance though.
     
    Victek, Jan 24, 2008
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