Registry Cleaners Rock!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by uvbogden, Dec 6, 2007.

  1. uvbogden

    uvbogden Guest

    The average user these days is almost constantly
    installing/uninstalling/updating third-party games/applications. Windows
    Installer/Uninstaller (including installer/uninstaller programs that come
    with the applications and proprietary program removal tools) frequently leave
    broken install and incomplete uninstall debris in the OS, much of which can
    be found in the registry. If these and other program remnants and incorrect
    registry entries are not removed, the registry may try to load any number of
    drivers or applications that have been “broken†or have been “uninstalledâ€
    and are no longer available to be loaded. This prolongs the time to boot and
    to shutdown (sometimes indefinitely), prolongs or prevents application
    loading and running once you’ve completed booting, and generates any number
    of error messages preventing normal operation of your computer. Another
    reason “registry bloat†is a problem is that these program remnants block the
    proper installation and functioning of new version updates, similar program
    types, and sometimes of unrelated programs.

    Because of install/uninstall debris many users are unable to download and
    install new versions of commonly used programs such as iTunes/QuickTime,
    Roxio/Sonic, and Adobe products (including Reader and Flash); when this is
    attempted, the original program they’re trying to update often stops
    functioning as well. Antiviral programs such as Norton and McAfee are
    notorious for leaving uninstall debris which blocks the proper install and
    functioning of other antiviral programs. Eventually, this install/uninstall
    debris buildup can block the proper installation and functioning of unrelated
    programs, including the normal operation of your computer generating any
    number of error messages which may not indicate the source of the real
    problem. These error messages may send tech personnel off in all kinds of
    directions on a wild goose chase while the real problem (incorrect registry
    entries) goes undetected.

    Regular maintenance with native programs like Disk Cleanup and other
    third-party file cleaners/shredders is essential for normal computer
    functioning, but most of these programs will not remove the remnants of
    broken programs and failed installs/uninstalls. There is no question that
    the right registry cleaner can help remove this debris buildup from the
    registry, speed up boot and shutdown operations, promote the normal
    functioning of computer programs and permit proper installation processes,
    allowing ailing computers to function properly while avoiding a Vista
    reinstall. However, preventing this buildup in the first place may be a
    better solution. When you want to uninstall a program permanently and before
    installing a new version, you should completely remove the old program from
    your computer. The usual uninstall measures will frequently not be able to
    achieve this by themselves.

    You can achieve this manually with the help of Windows Installer Cleanup
    Utility, although this can involve time consuming and tedious work (with
    potentially serious consequences) identifying program remnants and deleting
    files, folders, and registry entries. Alternatively, regular use of programs
    like Smarty Uninstaller and Your Uninstaller will prevent the buildup of
    install/uninstall debris in your OS and in your registry. Running a scan,
    Smarty Uninstaller identifies and lists all programs on your computer and any
    broken programs as well. Select the program you wish to uninstall, click on
    “Uninstall†to use the associated uninstall program, and allow that program
    to complete its actions. Then Smarty Uninstaller will rescan your computer
    and identify any remnants of the program scattered over your system.
    Clicking on “Cleanupâ€, Smarty Uninstaller will then remove these identified
    program remnants from files and folders and from your registry. Your
    Uninstaller performs similar operations.

    Whether you use a concurrent program like Smarty Uninstaller or Your
    Uninstaller to prevent buildup of broken programs and install/uninstall
    debris with each install/uninstall, or use a registry cleaner to remove this
    debris after it has accumulated for some time, these tools are necessary to
    help maintain your system and keep it functioning properly. As far as
    registry cleaners, the secret is to find the right one: one that can backup
    the registry (and restore if needed) before it removes anything, is able to
    defragment the registry after cleaning, and one that will clean the debris
    and leave the healthy parts alone. Unfortunately, there is little sound and
    impartial information available for registry cleaners and it’s hard to know
    which meet the optimal criteria, and which will trash your computer. The
    following links are to a tutorial that discusses the details of
    install/uninstall problems in Vista, and to downloads for Smarty Uninstaller
    and Your Uninstaller.

    If Windows were better designed, we would not be having these problems that
    necessitate using these third-party applications. I challenge MSFT to build
    a better uninstaller for Windows along the lines of Smarty Uninstaller/Your
    Uninstaller. I also challenge MSFT to build into Windows a decent, safe
    registry cleaner so we don't become victims of the malicious marketing of
    registry cleaners that currently goes on. These third-party applications are
    essential to keep Windows running and should be a built-in part of Windows.

    If you feel the same way I do, please go to the web version of this
    newsgroup and vote yes (link below). The more votes we have for this, the
    greater the chances that MSFT will listen and make some positive changes. If
    you don't feel the same as I do, please post and tell us why. If you have a
    better solution to these problems, please post it for all to see.

    This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
    suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
    Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
    link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
    click "I Agree" in the message pane.
    uvbogden, Dec 6, 2007
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  2. uvbogden

    Peter Foldes Guest


    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
    Peter Foldes, Dec 6, 2007
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  3. uvbogden

    mayayana Guest

    I challenge MSFT to build
    Oh, don't do that. Microsoft created Windows Installer,
    which is an astonishingly chaotic and superfluous
    mess. We don't want to encourage them to keep
    trying. :)

    Also, software installation is not done by MS, unless
    it's MS software. It's up to the software author to do
    the job right.

    What you can do if you want a clean system is:

    1) Avoid Registry cleaners and other freebie snake oil.

    2) Don't "almost constantly install/uninstall/update
    third-party games/applications". The "average user"
    does not do that, incidentally. Most people have no idea
    how to install a new program.
    mayayana, Dec 6, 2007
  4. uvbogden wrote:

    Absolute and utter nonsense.


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    Bruce Chambers, Dec 7, 2007
  5. uvbogden

    bomb#20 Guest

    While I agree with the bulk of your post I have a nagging doubt
    about one of your recommendations.

    On this page :

    there is advice on how to ' Export a Copy of Your Registry '.

    I am just wondering if you have actually exported a complete registry using this method
    and, more importantly, restored this exported backup succesfully.
    The reason I ask is that it was well known that in XP you could export an individual key
    using regedit but it failed when used to export the whole registry.
    I use Erunt to backup my registry.
    bomb#20, Dec 8, 2007
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