Registry Cleaners?

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by clintonG, Dec 22, 2007.

  1. clintonG

    clintonG Guest

    All of the registry cleaner & manager reviews online appear to be from
    2003-2004.
    Anybody have any advice or recommendations how to avoid Windows Rot when
    using Vista?
     
    clintonG, Dec 22, 2007
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  2. Hello clintonG,

    If you are happy with corrupt systems and like to reinstall use them like
    you want. But don't blame about Vista if it is not running anymore.

    Best regards

    Meinolf Weber
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    Meinolf Weber, Dec 22, 2007
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  3. clintonG

    clintonG Guest

    Ha Ha Ha and a Ho Ho Ho and a Merry Christmas to you too Meinolf.
     
    clintonG, Dec 22, 2007
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  4. Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin], Dec 22, 2007
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  5. clintonG

    PNutts Guest

    A lot of folks in technical forums :) recommend Raxco. Their product with the
    registry cleaner is PerfectDisc RX Suite. You may review and undo changes as
    you would expect. Many of their products have trial versions so you can see
    how they perform before purchasing. I do use this product myself.

    http://www.raxco.com/
     
    PNutts, Dec 22, 2007
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  6. I strongly suggest you avoid using any registry cleaning program.
    Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many
    people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
    convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
    you.

    The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
    removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
    it may have.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Dec 22, 2007
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  7. clintonG

    Mick Murphy Guest

    If you want to clean your registry, do it manually.
     
    Mick Murphy, Dec 22, 2007
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  8. clintonG

    PNutts Guest

    Ken:

    It appears Microsoft marketing would disagree with you. :) At the live.com
    website, one of the benefits of OneCare is the Registry Cleaner. And in the
    interest of full disclosure, I partially agree with you.

    http://help.live.com/help.aspx?mkt=...rmat=b1&querytype=keyword&query=abtscaty#faq6

    After visiting this link, click "What is the Windows registry? Why should I
    clean it?" on the left.

    For those who don't want to visit the site, an exerpt is below:

    About cleaning the registry
    The Windows Registry is the place on your PC where Windows stores
    information it might need to retrieve later--for example, when you open an
    application or change a system setting. The registry contains profiles for
    each user, the applications installed on the computer and the types of
    documents they create, what hardware exists on the system, and the ports
    being used.

    Over time, the Windows Registry can begin to contain information that's no
    longer valid. Maybe you uninstalled an application without using the Add or
    Remove Programs function in the Control Panel, or perhaps an object or file
    in the registry got moved. Eventually this orphaned or misplaced information
    accumulates and begins to clog your registry, potentially slowing down your
    PC and causing error messages and system crashes. You might also notice that
    your PC's startup process is slower than it used to be. Cleaning your
    registry once a month via the Windows Live OneCare safety scanner is the
    easiest way to help avoid these common problems.
     
    PNutts, Dec 22, 2007
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  9. That's probably not the only thing we disagree on, either.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Dec 22, 2007
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  10. Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
    specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
    bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
    using a registry "cleaner?"

    If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
    be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
    specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
    all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
    the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
    to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
    multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
    your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

    The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
    the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
    device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
    registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
    loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
    confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
    each and every change.

    Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
    automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
    experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
    Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
    of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
    maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
    experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
    no matter how safe they claim to be.

    More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
    automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
    inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
    certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
    of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
    performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
    worth the risk.

    Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
    every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
    And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
    good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
    real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
    effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
    non-existent benefits.

    I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
    of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
    useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
    any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
    registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
    Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
    in the hands of the inexperienced user.



    It's not hard to avoid something that's non-existent.

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    Bruce Chambers, Dec 22, 2007
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  11. Do you usually take technical advice from marketing departments?


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    Bruce Chambers, Dec 22, 2007
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  12. clintonG

    PNutts Guest

    No need for the hate... Just offering an opinion and (IMHO) an amusing
    observation. :)
     
    PNutts, Dec 23, 2007
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  13. clintonG

    clintonG Guest

    Hey that's interesting thanks... another selling point why Vista should be
    adopted eh?
     
    clintonG, Dec 23, 2007
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  14. clintonG

    clintonG Guest

    I've tended to agree with the assertions you and other have made and while I
    have the experience to go into the registry I have no idea how to be
    thorough doing the cleaning manually. Perhaps if we had some sort of
    "scanning" tool as you implied. A tool that would scan and report keys in
    respective hives as a group. Eh?

    The Filing Cabinet blog item [1] that has been suggested is promising for
    VIsta users. I just got Vista for another machine within the past two weeks
    so I'm learning all I can at the moment.

    Why I want to do so on XP? Because the machine doesn't "run" it "crawls" and
    I've been trying to do this and that to tune it up.

    <%= Clinton

    [1]
    http://blogs.technet.com/filecab/ar...s-cover-why-windows-vista-defrag-is-cool.aspx
     
    clintonG, Dec 23, 2007
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  15. None.
     
    Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM, Dec 23, 2007
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  16. clintonG

    Guest Guest

    Try Ccleaner 2.03 Located At http://www.ccleaner.com/ Works Great for Me And
    My Family, Just FYI.

    P.S. Just Heard A Crack Of Thunder, So I Will Be Going Offline Now, Just
    FYI.

    P.P.S. The U.S.A. Government Will Next Shut Down At 0:00 On New Years Day,
    Just FYI.
     
    Guest, Dec 23, 2007
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  17. clintonG

    uvbogden Guest

    The average user these days is almost constantly
    installing/uninstalling/updating third-party games/applications. Windows
    Installer/Uninstaller (including installer/uninstaller programs that come
    with the applications and proprietary program removal tools) frequently leave
    broken install and incomplete uninstall debris in the OS, much of which can
    be found in the registry. If these and other program remnants and incorrect
    registry entries are not removed, the registry may try to load any number of
    drivers or applications that have been “broken†or have been “uninstalledâ€
    and are no longer available to be loaded. This prolongs the time to boot and
    to shutdown (sometimes indefinitely), prolongs or prevents application
    loading and running once you’ve completed booting, and generates any number
    of error messages preventing normal operation of your computer. Another
    reason “registry bloat†is a problem is that these program remnants block the
    proper installation and functioning of new version updates, similar program
    types, and sometimes of unrelated programs.

    Because of install/uninstall debris many users are unable to download and
    install new versions of commonly used programs such as iTunes/QuickTime,
    Roxio/Sonic, and Adobe products (including Reader and Flash); when this is
    attempted, the original program they’re trying to update often stops
    functioning as well. Antiviral programs such as Norton and McAfee are
    notorious for leaving uninstall debris which blocks the proper install and
    functioning of other antiviral programs. Eventually, this install/uninstall
    debris buildup can block the proper installation and functioning of unrelated
    programs, including the normal operation of your computer generating any
    number of error messages which may not indicate the source of the real
    problem. These error messages may send tech personnel off in all kinds of
    directions on a wild goose chase while the real problem (incorrect registry
    entries) goes undetected.

    Regular maintenance with native programs like Disk Cleanup and other
    third-party file cleaners/shredders is essential for normal computer
    functioning, but most of these programs will not remove the remnants of
    broken programs and failed installs/uninstalls. There is no question that
    the right registry cleaner can help remove this debris buildup from the
    registry, speed up boot and shutdown operations, promote the normal
    functioning of computer programs and permit proper installation processes,
    allowing ailing computers to function properly while avoiding a Vista
    reinstall. However, preventing this buildup in the first place may be a
    better solution. When you want to uninstall a program permanently and before
    installing a new version, you should completely remove the old program from
    your computer. The usual uninstall measures will frequently not be able to
    achieve this by themselves.

    You can achieve this manually with the help of Windows Installer Cleanup
    Utility, although this can involve time consuming and tedious work (with
    potentially serious consequences) identifying program remnants and deleting
    files, folders, and registry entries. Alternatively, regular use of programs
    like Smarty Uninstaller and Your Uninstaller will prevent the buildup of
    install/uninstall debris in your OS and in your registry. Running a scan,
    Smarty Uninstaller identifies and lists all programs on your computer and any
    broken programs as well. Select the program you wish to uninstall, click on
    “Uninstall†to use the associated uninstall program, and allow that program
    to complete its actions. Then Smarty Uninstaller will rescan your computer
    and identify any remnants of the program scattered over your system.
    Clicking on “Cleanupâ€, Smarty Uninstaller will then remove these identified
    program remnants from files and folders and from your registry. Your
    Uninstaller performs similar operations.

    Whether you use a concurrent program like Smarty Uninstaller or Your
    Uninstaller to prevent buildup of broken programs and install/uninstall
    debris with each install/uninstall, or use a registry cleaner to remove this
    debris after it has accumulated for some time, these tools are necessary to
    help maintain your system and keep it functioning properly. As far as
    registry cleaners, the secret is to find the right one: one that can backup
    the registry (and restore if needed) before it removes anything, is able to
    defragment the registry after cleaning, and one that will clean the debris
    and leave the healthy parts alone. Unfortunately, there is little sound and
    impartial information available for registry cleaners and it’s hard to know
    which meet the optimal criteria, and which will trash your computer. The
    following links are to a tutorial that discusses the details of
    install/uninstall problems in Vista, and to downloads for Smarty Uninstaller
    and Your Uninstaller. There is also a link to a tutorial that discusses
    Repair Vista Options.

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/87249-unable-install-latest-version-program-vista.html

    http://www.winnertweak.com/uninstaller/

    http://www.ursoftware.com/uninstaller.htm

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/101393-repair-vista-options-preferred-sequence.html

    If Windows were better designed, we would not be having these problems that
    necessitate using these third-party applications. I challenge MSFT to build
    a better uninstaller for Windows along the lines of Smarty Uninstaller/Your
    Uninstaller. I also challenge MSFT to build into Windows a decent, safe
    registry cleaner so we don't become victims of the malicious marketing of
    registry cleaners that currently goes on. These third-party applications are
    essential to keep Windows running and should be a built-in part of Windows.


     
    uvbogden, Dec 23, 2007
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  18. Why I want to do so on XP? Because the machine doesn't "run" it "crawls"

    Quite honestly, if you do some proper before-and-after timings, you won't
    see any difference. In know, I've tried it myself more than once.

    The best way by far to give your machine a giddy-up is to back up all your
    data, reformat the hard disk, and reinstall your OS. Seriously, it makes
    the biggest difference by far.

    Here's a tip: DON'T install any software after rebuilding it! Instead, wait
    until you actually want to do some word processing, then install your office
    suite. Wait until you want to do some graphics work before you install your
    graphics editor.

    After six months you'll find that you haven't reinstalled even half your
    software! Your machine will be lean, mean and totally focused on what you
    want to do. All the crap that you installed because it might come in handy
    will remain where is ought to be - on your shelf.

    SteveT
     
    Steve Thackery, Dec 23, 2007
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  19. Yep, and the improved Diagnostics and Performance tools too. :)
     
    Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin], Dec 23, 2007
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  20. No hate, just pointing out that the "source" has no vested interest in
    facts - just the opposite, actually.


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    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

    The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
    killed a great many philosophers.
    ~ Denis Diderot
     
    Bruce Chambers, Dec 23, 2007
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