"Run this program as an administrator" always grayed out

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by developer_dan, Dec 8, 2007.

  1. The checkbox to "Run this program as an administrator" under th
    Compatibility tab of an .exe's properties is always grayed out. I did
    search for executable files and randomly checked about 15 differen
    applications, located in a variety of folders (C:\Program Files, Progra
    Files (x86), C:\HP, etc)

    I am running Vista Ultimate 64 on an HP Pavillion notebook which I jus
    purchased. I disabled UAC because it broke TortoiseCVS, which i
    necessary for my development work (and in my previous experience UAC wa
    a nightmare on a development box where I'm constantl
    adding/testing/removing software). Visual Studio 2005 needs to run wit
    elevated privileges, but now I can't enable this by checking th
    previously noted box for devenv.exe, as MS recommends

    I will address the specifics regarding Visual Studio on another forum
    but for now, I would like to know why this feature is not available fo
    any applications, and what I can do to restore it

    Thanks - Da
     
    developer_dan, Dec 8, 2007
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  2. As an update to my previous comment ... I re-enabled UAC for now and th
    "Run this program as an administrator" option is back. Since the use
    account I am logged in as has administrative privileges, it follows tha
    any .exe would run as administrator if UAC is disabled, but it doesn'
    seem like that should cause the Run-as-Admin feature to be disabled
    since you would want this property to be associated with the file
    regardless if UAC is turned on/off.

    Also, what added to the confusion is that Visual Studio informs me tha
    it needs to be run as an Admin when I start it, even if I alread
    checked Run-as-Admin. This seems like its own bug

    Please note that I am NOT saying that the solution to my problem is t
    re-enable UAC, so I would still like any feedback on this topic. I'l
    see how long I can endure with UAC for now, but it has created enoug
    problems in the past that I'm not optimistic
     
    developer_dan, Dec 8, 2007
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  3. developer_dan

    Mr. Arnold Guest


    Well, that's not the case. If you disable UAC, then any file association
    regarding UAC is off.

    And on top of that, a user with Admin rights on Vista only has Standard user
    rights in a lot situations, and their rights must be escalated.

    http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/
    It's not a bug, that's just the way it is.
    The link talks about developers having to come into line on Vista.


    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=785

    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa905330.aspx

    <http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...2b2f-422c-b70e-b18ff918c2811033.mspx?mfr=true>

    I'll assume you have heard of the Vista UAC manifest.

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=211271
     
    Mr. Arnold, Dec 8, 2007
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  4. developer_dan

    Mr. Arnold Guest

    If the software such as TortoiseCVS is not Vista complaint, then it's not
    Vista compliant.

    The link may do you some good.

    http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/06/dont_shut_off_v.html
     
    Mr. Arnold, Dec 8, 2007
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  5. developer_dan

    brink Guest

    Hi Dan

    Welcome to the Vistax64.com forum. :party

    Step 5 in this tutorial will show you how to check (enable) the "Run a
    Administrator" option in the Compatibility options

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/63998-compatibility-mode-list-programs.htm

    If you do not want UAC on and not have these problems with it off, the
    see

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/80938-user-account-control-uac-elevate-privilege-level.htm

    an

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/67567-administrator-account.htm

    Hope this helps
    Shaw

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    brin

    *There are no dumb questions, just the people that do not ask them.*
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    *Please post feedback to help others.*
     
    brink, Dec 8, 2007
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  6. Thank you for your replies, especially the informative links provided b
    Shawn, which answered my initial question. Although it was not m
    intention to begin a discussion regarding the pros/cons of UAC, I d
    appreciate the feedback and tips. I read through all the links and hav
    tried to objectively reconsider the matter. My primary frustration i
    the past with UAC was not the annoying prompts, which simply reflec
    poor UI design, but the frequency of problems where software simpl
    didn't work or UAC wouldn't allow me to copy files, even after promptin
    me for privilege elevation. I don't mind being harrassed nearly as muc
    as I mind being denied functionality without a choice

    A simple example I ran into yesterday: I added Notepad to the SendT
    folder so I can right-click to edit a text file that has no fil
    extension. When I then used this method to edit a manifest file for
    program in the Program Files folder, I could not save the file. In thi
    case, UAC did not prompt me to ask for approval, which would be th
    desired behavior; I had to save the file somewhere else and copy it bac
    using Explorer. From a technical standpoint, I understand why thi
    happens, and a workaround in this case is to grant Notepad.ex
    "Run-as-Admin" rights, but the experience is an everyday occurrence wit
    UAC, and the solutions are not always so simple

    I don't appreciate Mr. Arnold's tone regarding the need for developer
    to "come into line on Vista." There is a big difference betwee
    programming for security and programming for conformity to Vista'
    requirements. That MS has had a huge number of problems getting Visua
    Studio to work properly in Vista is evidence. And even now, afte
    applying all the available updates, I still can't open a project o
    solution file by double-clicking the file because of UAC issue
    regarding file association and the Visual Studio Version Selecto
    program. I've found workarounds that are sufficient for now, but it'
    proof that the current implementation of UAC impacts the function o
    programs that were written according to reasonable security guidelines
    They just weren't written for Vista

    In any case, I now have a clearer understanding of how Vista stores th
    "Run-as-Admin" information (registry), and why it's grayed out when UA
    is disabled, which was my original question. I verified that a file fo
    which you check "Run-as-Admin" remains checked even after you turn UA
    off, which makes sense. I will continue to run with UAC enabled and kee
    a log of the problems I encounter, doing my best to be reasonable abou
    when it's the result of third-party sloppiness, and when it's somethin
    that could be improved in the implementation of UAC. I'm hopeful tha
    Microsoft will continue to make the needed usability improvements
    rather than just stubbornly insisting that all problems are the resul
    of a failure on the part of everyone else. As a loyal Microsof
    developer for ten years, I would find that attitude highly distasteful
     
    developer_dan, Dec 9, 2007
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    Mr. Arnold Guest

    Well, I am a software developer professionally, and I have been so since
    1980 and MS since 1995. I don't have any problems using .Net solutions on
    Vista -- none. You should stop whining because there is nothing you can do
    about it, other than, not use the product.
     
    Mr. Arnold, Dec 9, 2007
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  8. I'm very happy to hear about your success, but I'm pretty sure you're
    in the minority. With regard to my "whining," I'm sorry you see it that
    way, and I couldn't disagree more. Voicing my opinion about what can be
    improved is called customer feedback. It is a vital step in the process
    that leads to improved products. As a developer, you should know full
    well that 'not using the product' is not really a viable option for most
    developers, and besides, I'm not saying that I don't like the product.
    Programming with Visual Studio and the .Net framework is more enjoyable
    than any other type of programming I've done, and I think there are many
    obvious business benefits to having a single widely accepted platform to
    build on, and overall I've been fairly satisfied with Microsoft's
    efforts to produce good products and meet the needs of their customers.
    They carry a huge burden on their shoulders, and positioning themselves
    as the dominant force in a huge worldwide industry makes them a ripe
    candidate for criticism, which is how it should be. They should be held
    to high standards, and it's disappointing to me that many of the
    frustrations I've had with Vista can easily be identified as either bugs
    or poor design. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop using it. It
    means I'm going to do my part to help Microsoft do what it should have
    done in the first place, even if it sounds to some people like whining.
     
    developer_dan, Dec 10, 2007
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  9. developer_dan

    Mr. Arnold Guest

    You can talk to them about Vista II and see if that buys you anything.
     
    Mr. Arnold, Dec 10, 2007
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