Running Visual C++ and/or Visual Basic under Vista Home Premium OS

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by DaleB, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. DaleB

    DaleB Guest

    Hi:
    I have a new HP laptop running Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit OS.
    Microsoft has programming languages / compilers / IDEs for Visual C++ 5 and
    6, and Visual Basic 5 and 6. These IDE's (Integrated Development
    Environments) are usually included on a CDs in the back of most popular books
    on the topic.
    Deitel's latest VB book does not contain any disk, but they say that the
    software
    can be downloaded from Microsoft's web site.

    1) Can you direct me to links for these IDE's ?
    2) Will the IDE's / languages work under Vista Home Premium Edition ?
    3) Are there any problems running Java under Vista Home Premium Edition ?

    Thank you
    DaleB
     
    DaleB, Nov 14, 2007
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  2. Hello DaleB,

    It sounds like the development environments mentioned in the book may be
    Microsoft's Visual Studio Express Editions, which are free of charge.

    To download the Visual Studio Express Editions, visit the MSDN Visual Studio
    Express Download Center at
    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa975050.aspx.

    You will see several Visual Studio Express editions listed on the page:

    - Microsoft Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition
    - Microsoft Visual C# 2005 Express Edition
    - Microsoft Visual Basic 2005 Express Edition
    - Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition
    - Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Express Edition
    - Microsoft Visual J# 2005 Express Edition

    Click on the drop-down below "Visual Basic" and select the language you wish
    to use and then click on Download. Save the installation program to your hard
    drive, and do the same for Visual C++.

    To run the installation programs, click on Start, then click on your user
    name in the Start menu, and then double click on the "Downloads" folder.
    Double click on the first installation program, and if user account control
    prompts you for consent, provide the appropriate credentials or provide
    consent to run the installation. Repeat this for each edition of Visual
    Studio Express that you have chosen to download.

    Once you have installed the Express Editions, download and install Service
    Pack 1 for the Visual Studio 2005 Express Editions that you have installed.
    For quick reference, here are the links for Visual Basic and Visual C++ SP1
    Updates:

    Visual Basic 2005 Express SP1:
    http://download.microsoft.com/downl...75-85cc6ae34bf1/vs80sp1-kb926747-x86-intl.exe

    Visual C++ Express SP1:
    http://download.microsoft.com/downl...75-85cc6ae34bf1/vs80sp1-kb926748-x86-intl.exe

    You will also want to install the SP1 Update for Windows Vista to ensure
    maximum compatibility and a seamless development experience. I have included
    the link for that update here as well (please note that these links are all
    available on the Visual Studio Express download center on the MSDN web site):

    Visual Studio 2005 SP1 Update for Windows Vista:
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=90e2942d-3ad1-4873-a2ee-4acc0aace5b6

    In regards to your question about the Java Runtime Environment, I have not
    encountered any issues with Java 6.0 on Windows Vista 32-bit or 64-bit. You
    can download the Java Runtime Environment from
    http://java.com/java/download/index.jsp.

    I hope that this helps, have a great day :)

    --
    Regards,
    Kristan M. Kenney
    Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
     
    Kristan M. Kenney [MVP], Nov 14, 2007
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  3. DaleB

    DaleB Guest

    Hi Kristen:
    Thank you for your detailed reply.
    And now, I have a related question.

    Several years ago, I purchased Visual C++ 5.0 and Viusal Basic 5.0.
    IThey wer running under Windows 95 at the time.
    Do you know if there is a current "full-blown" edition of VC++ or VBasic that
    runs under WIndopws Vista Home Premium Edition or if these older versions
    will. I do not know hopw complete the "express" version are relative to the
    version you buy (or bought at that time). Any ideas ?

     
    DaleB, Nov 14, 2007
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  4. You can get Visual C++ and Visual Basic .Net Express versions free off
    of the Microsoft site. They work fine with Vista.
     
    Dustin Harper, Nov 14, 2007
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  5. DaleB

    Alun Harford Guest

    VB 5 is (thankfully) dead, and has been replaced by VB.NET. VC++ still
    exists.

    The current version of Visual Studio is 2005, but 2008 should be
    released "by the end of November" (which almost certainly means 30th).

    The 'Express' version is pretty good. The only real limitation is that
    it doesn't support plugins. This tends to be more of a problem for
    professional developers (I don't know how I'd live without
    TestDriven.NET or Visual SVN - and I know many others couldn't live
    without Resharper). For individual developers who are not coding full
    time, the Express version is very good.

    Alun Harford
     
    Alun Harford, Nov 14, 2007
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  6. DaleB

    Charlie Tame Guest

    If you want to do serious programming I think you need to go for Visual
    Studio - why not ask in the VS2005 newsgroup?


     
    Charlie Tame, Nov 14, 2007
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  7. Visual Studio 2005 and Visual Studio 2008 are far, far ahead of VC++ 5.0, in
    both ease of use and features. After a short while using VS2005, you would
    never want to go back to VC 5.0 (IMHO). Some product upgrades are a waste of
    money; this one certainly is worth every cent, and then some.

    Download the Express versions and try them out. If you like them (you will)
    then upgrade to the full versions, if necessary (but Express editions are
    quite comprehensive, unless you are doing hard-core commercial development).

    "Classic" Visual Basic a la VB 5.0 is a dead language. There are no more new
    programming tools for the old VB coming from Microsoft. Moving to VB.NET is
    something of a learning curve; but you will get access to the full power of
    the .NET Runtime. VB.NET is a much more powerful and flexible language than
    classic VB (and it's not really that much harder, it just looks a bit odd at
    first).

    Good luck,
     
    Andrew McLaren, Nov 14, 2007
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  8. What I would recommend doing in this case is to give the Express editions a
    try and see if they suit your needs. I've been doing some occasional
    programming in my spare time and have used Visual Studio 2005 Professional
    Edition, Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition, and the Express editions and to
    be quite honest the express editions have been absolutely great.

    You can obtain trial versions of the full Visual Studio 2005 suites from
    MSDN, a link is included at the end of the post for your convenience. Also,
    Visual Studio 2008 (along with the corresponding Express editions) are just
    around the corner, so you may want to keep an eye out for those -- a beta is
    available now if you wish to evaluate further before the final version is
    made available.

    Visual C++ 5.0 and Visual Basic 5.0 do not work under Windows Vista to the
    best of my knowledge. However, if for whatever reason you do wish to develop
    using these older languages, you can download Virtual PC from the Microsoft
    Download Center (link included at the end of post for your convenience) and
    load Windows XP or another Windows operating system within a virtual
    environment (note that you must have a seperate license to use another
    operating system in Virtual PC -- for example if you do not have a copy of
    Windows XP you would need to purchase a copy or obtain it through another
    distribution method such as an MSDN subscription). Once you have set up the
    virtual machine you could then install Visual C++ or Visual Basic 5.0 within
    the environment.

    Visual Studio 2005 edition comparison:
    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700921.aspx

    Visual Studio 2005 hosted experience and 180-day trial software:
    http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/bb188238.aspx

    Virtual PC 2007 download link:
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...02-3199-48a3-afa2-2dc0b40a73b6&DisplayLang=en

    --
    Regards,
    Kristan M. Kenney
    Microsoft MVP [Windows - Shell/User]

    This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.


     
    Kristan M. Kenney [MVP], Nov 15, 2007
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  9. DaleB

    mayayana Guest

    I haven't tried running VB5 on Vista, but based
    on the discussions in the VB newsgroups, they
    will both run fine. You just have to make sure
    to run as admin. If you have any trouble you
    can check in at...
    microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion
    .... where VB is not yet a "dead language".


    Getting VB5 is another matter. You can't buy VB 5/6
    anymore unless you buy it used, find an obscure
    dealer with left-over stock, or find a copy of the
    limited versions that did used to come in books
    on CD many years ago.

    VB6 was the last VB. It compiles and requires no
    support files that are not on Vista, but there's no longer
    any official support for it. The VB5 runtime, by
    contrast, must be installed on Vista.

    Everything after VB6 is VB.Net, which is an entirely
    different thing. VB basically creates compiled "desktop
    software". VB.Net creates JIT-compiled "assemblies"
    that use an object-oriented runtime of some 70-100 MB,
    depending on the version. It's essentially Microsoft's
    answer to Java - not particularly well-suited to desktop
    software but used quite a bit for server-side components
    on Windows servers.

    MS is trying to nudge people away from doing any
    Windows programming outside of a sandbox. So .Net is
    all the rage now and even C++ programmers, last I
    heard, were being encouraged to change over to a .Net
    version called C++/CLI.

    So, in a nutshell, yes, you can use VB if you can
    find it.
     
    mayayana, Nov 15, 2007
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  10. DaleB

    mayayana Guest

    mayayana, Nov 15, 2007
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  11. DaleB

    DaleB Guest

    All:

    Thank you for your detalied replies !

    DaleB
     
    DaleB, Nov 20, 2007
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