Scrap Vista/Server 2008 Project

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Eric Stanaway, Sep 21, 2007.

  1. To Whome It May Concern:

    I have been using Vista for the last two months, trying to learn it well
    enough to deploy it to our teachers and students and am running into a never
    ending supply of bugs and glitches in the OS. Software that isn't
    compatable, Software that will install without problem, but then won't run,
    Software that when installed makes hardware devices disappear, Keyboard
    errors, Printer drivers that won't install, Print jobs that say they printed,
    but never get to the print device, Applications and OS crashes, Permissions
    level (I am logged on to the computer as an administrator, and can't run
    basic command line utilities to diagnose problems such as ipconfig /release,
    renew or ipconfig /flushdns, registerdns). I would suggest to you that you
    scrap these projects or at least post-pone dropping support for Windows XP
    until you get all the problems worked out of Vista/Server 2008 otherwise this
    will be as netorious as the infamous Windows Me. Every other Network
    Administrator/PC Support Specialist I have talked to agree's that Vista
    reminds them too much of Windows Me, and has started the nightmare's all over
    again. In order to save the IT community from another disaster, please don't
    drop support for a stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another
    disasterous product (Windows Vista).

    Thank you,
    Eric Stanaway
    Frustrated Vista User

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    Eric Stanaway, Sep 21, 2007
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  2. A huge proportion of the above are more likely to be incompatible software
    and drivers then actual Vista problems.
    These are not problems with permissions but related to your lack of
    understanding about UAC and the role of an administrators group member vs.
    that of the Administrator account.
    Maybe you just need to understand more about the enhanced level of security
    in Vista an then decide if you wish to disable it and pit your self at risk
    (which would remove the UAC dialogs about having to confirm certain
    operations or commands.
    Are you actually testing Windows Serve 2008 - if you were then you would be
    aware of the subtle changes in UAC related to that platform.
    These are not problems that need to be worked out in the OS - they are
    driver/app issues that those vendors need to address and your own lack of
    expertise or experience with the product and understanding of he new
    security model etc.
    All I can say is that the massive number of clients I have worked with on
    Vista projects and deployed to and the technical staff that have to use and
    support this everyday do not share your narrow view.
    Personally they could drop XP now - I am running nothing but Vista and
    Server 2003R2 and the 2008 Betas without any issues at all.
    Mike Brannigan, Sep 21, 2007
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  3. This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows Vista users
    here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not Microsoft
    employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names;
    that's an honorary title for having provided consistently helpful
    advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here unofficially
    on his own time.

    So if you want to address Microsoft please do it directly. It has no
    effect here.
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 21, 2007
  4. Ken,

    Then why is there a "Suggestion to Microsoft" option in the New drop down
    list? That is the option I clicked on when this post came up, I wasn't
    trying to talk to other users in the group, I wanted to communicate directly
    to Microsoft. Sorry for the confusion.
    Eric Stanaway, Sep 21, 2007
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    DanS Guest

    The confusion is caused by using the 'MS Community' web page to post to
    Usenet. Usenet is another part of the internet, based on text reading of
    messages, not too unlike BBS systems of the past. If you were to use a
    'real' newsreader client, like XNews, of XanaNews, or even Outhouse
    Express, you would see that just about everything presented to you by a web
    interface to Usenet is just fluff added by who(m)evers' web page it is.

    Good luck on trying to communicate with MS w/o 'buying' their time.
    DanS, Sep 21, 2007
  6. Even their website is in part confusing and hard to use. Mabey they
    developed it and run it on Vista too.

    Priceless quotes in group:

    "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
    free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
    creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
    rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
    - Maura Corbett
    The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly , Sep 21, 2007
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    Robbie Guest

    Hi Eric,

    I would agree with you concerning Vista which I think is a terrible
    operating system. Microsoft will, hopefully, have resolved at least some
    of its many problems with the release of SP1.
    Windows Server 2008, on the other hand, is a super operating system. It
    is easy to use, has an excellent feature set and, even as a beta, is
    ultra stable. We have not had a single operating system crash in 4+
    months of continuous operation. There were some initial problems with
    lack of drivers and incompatibility with a few programs. At least in our
    setting, these problems have been resolved and Windows Server 2008 works
    perfectly with all our typical hardware devices and application programs.
    Robbie, Sep 21, 2007
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    HeyBub Guest

    You have my sympathies.

    I can't get DOS Tetris to run either.
    HeyBub, Sep 21, 2007
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    NoStop Guest

    Send him over to talk to Frank. According to Frank, he and Bill Gates meet
    fairly regularly. Maybe Frank can pass on the message on how bad Vista


    Remove Vista Activation Completely ...

    Do you use Linux? Everytime you "google", you're using Linux.

    Coming Soon! Ubuntu 7.10 ... New Features:
    NoStop, Sep 22, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    Ah you forgot the imperative here,

    1. Blame drivers
    2. Blame the user
    3. Try to belittle the user by some other means (eg spelling mistakes)
    4. Explain how the completely unrelated Beta software you have is flawless.

    Can you please try in future to abide by the posting rules :)
    Charlie Tame, Sep 22, 2007
  11. Lawsy. Everybody knows Vista is the best OS Microsoft ever put out, bar
    none. That's the party line, and I sticking to it (or risk being tarred,
    feathered, and run out of town on a rail.) Yes, Vista has UAC, which has not
    been adequately explained to the masses let alone to those of us who have
    learned how to live with it. Yes, Vista suffers from a lack of enthusiasm
    among thousands of hardware manufacturers who do not wish to invest in
    rewriting their drivers according to Microsoft's badly documented
    specifications. Along with cosmetic changes like AERO-GLASS come
    undocumented semantic and timing changes in system objects that cause once
    flawless programs to misbehave. No help in that arena available without
    cost. No admission that a problem exists, either. Take it or leave it.
    Windows XP is going away. Microsoft is working very hard to fix the top 100
    problems before releasing the first in a series of Vista Service Packs. Par
    for the course at the bleeding edge.
    William McIlroy, Sep 22, 2007
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    Ken Schaefer Guest


    Do you have any specific issues that you could highlight. It's very
    difficult to assist when you only have generalities.

    Ken Schaefer, Sep 23, 2007
  13. Ken,

    My largest problem is listed in a seperate post, but I will re-explain it
    here. I will be typing along and out of nowhere my keyboard will lock in
    using Windows Key shortcuts and every time I press a vowel key a Windows
    Applet opens, so if this were to happen while I was typing Ken, I would get
    the K then My Computer would open, then the n would print on the screen. I
    can't find anything that would cause this error, I looked for similar
    programs, but it happens in Word, Outlook, and intent text chat. I looked
    for keystrokes that would turn the feature on and couldn't find any
    similarities their either, its not like sticky keys where you push the shift
    key five times and it turns on sticky keys. I toggled all the toggle keys on
    the keyboard on and off to see if that helped and it didn't . I ended up
    having to reboot the computer to get control of they keyboard again. The
    next problem I have is not being able to use command line tools to administer
    and troubleshoot Vista, how do I gain enough permissions to do an ipconfig?
    I use this command and all the switches regularly when troubleshooting a
    connectivity issue and it is unavailable to me. I am also having a horrible
    time with printing, it seems that Vista doesn't like printing to shared
    network printers installed on XP/Server 2003 R2 SP2 or printers connected via
    network port. My final complaint with Vista is the interface, it takes me
    forever to add a wireless network, or change system settings or even get to
    the run command. The last issue is a training issue, but the others are
    huge barriers to deploying Vista in our organization. Any help you could
    offer would be greatly appreciated. I would also like to know if anyone
    knows of a Vista training class, that I could attend as well as any tricks
    that remove the accessability options or security protocal.

    Eric Stanaway, Sep 24, 2007
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