To Whome It May Concern: I have been using Vista for the last two months, trying to learn it well enough to deploy it to our teachers and students and am running into a never ending supply of bugs and glitches in the OS. Software that isn't compatable, Software that will install without problem, but then won't run, Software that when installed makes hardware devices disappear, Keyboard errors, Printer drivers that won't install, Print jobs that say they printed, but never get to the print device, Applications and OS crashes, Permissions level (I am logged on to the computer as an administrator, and can't run basic command line utilities to diagnose problems such as ipconfig /release, renew or ipconfig /flushdns, registerdns). I would suggest to you that you scrap these projects or at least post-pone dropping support for Windows XP until you get all the problems worked out of Vista/Server 2008 otherwise this will be as netorious as the infamous Windows Me. Every other Network Administrator/PC Support Specialist I have talked to agree's that Vista reminds them too much of Windows Me, and has started the nightmare's all over again. In order to save the IT community from another disaster, please don't drop support for a stable OS (Windows XP), to try and force another disasterous product (Windows Vista). Thank you, -- Eric Stanaway Frustrated Vista User ---------------- This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then click "I Agree" in the message pane. http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/co...c62&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
A huge proportion of the above are more likely to be incompatible software and drivers then actual Vista problems. These are not problems with permissions but related to your lack of understanding about UAC and the role of an administrators group member vs. that of the Administrator account. Maybe you just need to understand more about the enhanced level of security in Vista an then decide if you wish to disable it and pit your self at risk (which would remove the UAC dialogs about having to confirm certain operations or commands. Are you actually testing Windows Serve 2008 - if you were then you would be aware of the subtle changes in UAC related to that platform. These are not problems that need to be worked out in the OS - they are driver/app issues that those vendors need to address and your own lack of expertise or experience with the product and understanding of he new security model etc. All I can say is that the massive number of clients I have worked with on Vista projects and deployed to and the technical staff that have to use and support this everyday do not share your narrow view. Personally they could drop XP now - I am running nothing but Vista and Server 2003R2 and the 2008 Betas without any issues at all.
This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows Vista users here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not Microsoft employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names; that's an honorary title for having provided consistently helpful advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here unofficially on his own time. So if you want to address Microsoft please do it directly. It has no effect here.
Ken, Then why is there a "Suggestion to Microsoft" option in the New drop down list? That is the option I clicked on when this post came up, I wasn't trying to talk to other users in the group, I wanted to communicate directly to Microsoft. Sorry for the confusion.
=?Utf-8?B?RXJpYyBTdGFuYXdheQ==?= The confusion is caused by using the 'MS Community' web page to post to Usenet. Usenet is another part of the internet, based on text reading of messages, not too unlike BBS systems of the past. If you were to use a 'real' newsreader client, like XNews, of XanaNews, or even Outhouse Express, you would see that just about everything presented to you by a web interface to Usenet is just fluff added by who(m)evers' web page it is. Good luck on trying to communicate with MS w/o 'buying' their time.
Even their website is in part confusing and hard to use. Mabey they developed it and run it on Vista too. -- Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group: http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous." - Maura Corbett
Hi Eric, I would agree with you concerning Vista which I think is a terrible operating system. Microsoft will, hopefully, have resolved at least some of its many problems with the release of SP1. Windows Server 2008, on the other hand, is a super operating system. It is easy to use, has an excellent feature set and, even as a beta, is ultra stable. We have not had a single operating system crash in 4+ months of continuous operation. There were some initial problems with lack of drivers and incompatibility with a few programs. At least in our setting, these problems have been resolved and Windows Server 2008 works perfectly with all our typical hardware devices and application programs.
Send him over to talk to Frank. According to Frank, he and Bill Gates meet fairly regularly. Maybe Frank can pass on the message on how bad Vista sucks? Cheers. -- Remove Vista Activation Completely ... http://tinyurl.com/2w8qqo Do you use Linux? Everytime you "google", you're using Linux. Coming Soon! Ubuntu 7.10 ... New Features: http://lunapark6.com/ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-710-new-features.html
Ah you forgot the imperative here, 1. Blame drivers 2. Blame the user 3. Try to belittle the user by some other means (eg spelling mistakes) 4. Explain how the completely unrelated Beta software you have is flawless. Can you please try in future to abide by the posting rules
Lawsy. Everybody knows Vista is the best OS Microsoft ever put out, bar none. That's the party line, and I sticking to it (or risk being tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.) Yes, Vista has UAC, which has not been adequately explained to the masses let alone to those of us who have learned how to live with it. Yes, Vista suffers from a lack of enthusiasm among thousands of hardware manufacturers who do not wish to invest in rewriting their drivers according to Microsoft's badly documented specifications. Along with cosmetic changes like AERO-GLASS come undocumented semantic and timing changes in system objects that cause once flawless programs to misbehave. No help in that arena available without cost. No admission that a problem exists, either. Take it or leave it. Windows XP is going away. Microsoft is working very hard to fix the top 100 problems before releasing the first in a series of Vista Service Packs. Par for the course at the bleeding edge.
Eric, Do you have any specific issues that you could highlight. It's very difficult to assist when you only have generalities. Cheers Ken
Ken, My largest problem is listed in a seperate post, but I will re-explain it here. I will be typing along and out of nowhere my keyboard will lock in using Windows Key shortcuts and every time I press a vowel key a Windows Applet opens, so if this were to happen while I was typing Ken, I would get the K then My Computer would open, then the n would print on the screen. I can't find anything that would cause this error, I looked for similar programs, but it happens in Word, Outlook, and intent text chat. I looked for keystrokes that would turn the feature on and couldn't find any similarities their either, its not like sticky keys where you push the shift key five times and it turns on sticky keys. I toggled all the toggle keys on the keyboard on and off to see if that helped and it didn't . I ended up having to reboot the computer to get control of they keyboard again. The next problem I have is not being able to use command line tools to administer and troubleshoot Vista, how do I gain enough permissions to do an ipconfig? I use this command and all the switches regularly when troubleshooting a connectivity issue and it is unavailable to me. I am also having a horrible time with printing, it seems that Vista doesn't like printing to shared network printers installed on XP/Server 2003 R2 SP2 or printers connected via network port. My final complaint with Vista is the interface, it takes me forever to add a wireless network, or change system settings or even get to the run command. The last issue is a training issue, but the others are huge barriers to deploying Vista in our organization. Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I would also like to know if anyone knows of a Vista training class, that I could attend as well as any tricks that remove the accessability options or security protocal. Thanks, Eric
