Sender ID Framework SPF Record Wizard

Discussion in 'DNS Server' started by Phil, Jun 25, 2005.

  1. Phil

    Herb Martin Guest

    My next question is: How will I know that my SPF entries are correct?

    There are testing links easily available.

    Until you create the SPF records they are irrelevant though -- and you
    will need a test account for each domain to check them.

    If you don't own their DNS you might have to engage their assistance or have
    them provide you a test account for checking it.

    That is just reality -- you cannot be expected to manage ANY one's email
    unless you can send and receive test messages.

    So how many do you have?
    See my other response to your inability to write a simple script.
    Herb Martin, Jun 28, 2005
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  2. Phil

    Herb Martin Guest

    The article that I quoted made it very clear that the Sender ID
    But the article was NOT written by "Microsoft" nor is their representative
    quoted directly.

    And the intention (if accurate) is to "flag as POTENTIAL spam" any email
    from a source without an SPF.


    If anyone sends Microsoft (or you) an email from ME, or my users,
    which is not from an SPF authorized server in my domain then I want you to

    Do not bounce it back to me -- we didn't send it.

    Do not blacklist me or my domain -- we didn't send it.

    Do not be angry at me or my users -- we didn't send it.

    In fact, leave us out of it completely -- we didn't send it.

    And even if we were to send it by mistake, then it would be UNAUTHORIZED.
    Herb Martin, Jun 28, 2005
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  3. Phil

    Herb Martin Guest

    I am beginning to thing he is merely a troll -- or a helpless whiner.

    I am not sure which is worse however.
    Herb Martin, Jun 28, 2005
  4. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Curious, did you have complaints about upgrading to Window 2000 or 2003

    My web server started out as a Windows 2000. There was no "upgrading".


    That still does not explain what MTA stands for.

    Phil, Jun 28, 2005
  5. Phil

    Phil Guest

    I don't know that your admission is belly-aching -- if you have 50-200
    Up until now, there has been no need to hire/pay a programmer simply to
    run/maintain a single colocated web server. I don't see how adding a few
    domains a month requires a programmer, or the need to learn a new
    programming language, or deserves an insinuation that I am incompetent.
    I am a computer programmer, have been since the late 1980's and sell my
    software professionally.
    I won't bother the nice people here to write scripts for me. That's asking
    too much of the volunteers who spend their own time answering questions.
    I'll just make the DNS changes manually.

    Phil, Jun 28, 2005
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    Phil Guest

    I am beginning to thing he is merely a troll -- or a helpless whiner.

    I came here looking for help, and in the process criticized the lack of
    support from Microsoft at their web site in respect to the Hotmail/MSN
    Sender ID implementation in November.

    What was initially a bug report and a request for help has turned into an
    attack on me simply because I am not a DNS expert, and because I am not
    familiar with the Sender ID/mail server language and because I was looking
    for some simple instructions on how to handle the Sender ID implementation.
    Yes, I voiced criticism of Microsoft for making my task of complying harder
    than it should. But I did not come here to simply trash Microsoft, or to
    oppose Sender ID or cause trouble. I wanted to comply to what MS wanted. I
    simply didn't know HOW.

    Either I ignore your jabs, or I respond. But when I respond I'm guaranteed
    to get accused once more of whining and complaining, which distracts from
    the original purpose of coming here.

    Phil, Jun 28, 2005
  7. Phil

    Phil Guest

    I'm not upset with everyone, nor am I trashing everyone. I'm just trying to
    understand what Microsoft wants from me in regards to compliance.

    Derogatory? I simply got the names mixed up. There was an Andrew in this
    discussion and I thought it was he who I was replying to. I'm sorry for
    whatever misunderstanding this caused.

    Phil, Jun 28, 2005
  8. Phil

    Jason Gurtz Guest

    You really need to be asking these questions on the SPF-Help mailing list.
    There are many people there who will clue you in as to how this works.


    Jason Gurtz, Jun 28, 2005
  9. Phil

    Jason Gurtz Guest

    Currently, Microsoft is trying to co-opt SPF, a pre-existing technology,
    with Sender ID. At one time there was a substantial effort to combine the
    two but the technical faults in Sender-ID made that impossible.

    Focus your efforts on SPF. This all has nothing to do with Microsoft.


    Jason Gurtz, Jun 28, 2005
  10. Phil

    Jason Gurtz Guest

    Why not throw "MTA defined" into google?

    Honestly, and I mean this in the best possible way, if you don't know what
    that acronym stands for then you have no business at all attempting to run
    a mail server.


    Jason Gurtz, Jun 28, 2005
  11. Phil

    Jason Gurtz Guest

    I've read this whole thread and you call yourself a programmer. That may
    be true but from all your questions I can say that it is a fact that you
    have nothing less than an *ENORMOUS* lack of knowledge when it comes to
    things that are basic, routine, and simple administrative tasks on an
    Internet facing server.

    You will save yourself (and I think everyone in this group!) quite a bit
    of heartache if you simply hire a consultant that knows what they're doing
    for a short while. You've made it quite obvious that you don't have or
    won't make the time to teach yourself. The consultant should be able to
    teach you enough to be dangerous. Hmm, maybe that's not a good thing...


    Jason Gurtz, Jun 28, 2005
  12. Phil

    Herb Martin Guest

    Every technical question you have asked has been answered
    (almost immediately) and if you don't understand those answers
    then ask for clarification.

    You started out with a diatribe against Microsoft, not a true
    request for technical assistance.

    Ask for help -- use or ignore the answers as you see fit.
    Herb Martin, Jun 28, 2005
  13. Phil

    Phil Guest

    Phil, Jun 28, 2005
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    Phil Guest

    That still does not explain what MTA stands for.
    And here is what you get...


    Metropolitan Trading Area

    A geographic metro area of population and economic integration defined by
    Rand McNally's Commercial Atlas.

    The FCC used the 51 U.S. MTAs as the boundaries for the PCS (1900 Mhz) radio
    frequency (spectrum) licenses that were auctioned in the mid-1990s.

    Other bands, such as the cellular (800/850 MHz) band, use MSA and RSA
    geographic divisions instead.

    Each MTA consists of several Basic Trading Areas (BTAs) which are several
    contiguous counties.

    Phil, Jun 28, 2005
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    Phil Guest

    Honestly, and I mean this in the best possible way, if you don't know what

    I have run an IMail server for 4 years now, with a traffic flow of 40,000+
    messages per day, and I've never needed to know what MTA stands for. Can
    you explain why knowing what MTA stands for is so critical to the operation
    of IMail?
    Best possible way? How can you preface what is clearly an insult with the
    words, "I mean this in the best possible way..."?

    Phil, Jun 29, 2005
  16. Phil

    Phil Guest

    You started out with a diatribe against Microsoft, not a true
    I started out with a bug report. I was upset with the bugginess of the site
    that Microsoft pointed visitors to (it does not work with Internet Explorer
    5) and with the fact that another poster in another Microsoft newsgroup
    never received any response about a similar issue he posted about Sender ID
    and DNS SPF records. I posted my feedback here thinking that Microsoft
    monitored the forum and would profit from feedback. Go back and read the
    first message. Over 90% of that message was bug reports and facts. Yes, the
    last 2 sentences of that original posting was critical of Microsoft's lack
    of tutorials on Sender ID compliance. But this is far short of a diatribe.

    At this point this whole issue has gotten out of hand. I will look
    elsewhere for assistance. I am sorry to have created such trouble.

    Phil, Jun 29, 2005
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    Herb Martin Guest

    Why not throw "MTA defined" into google?
    Unless you are trying to pretend to be tree stump stupid you would
    want to throw in a context word or two:

    [ MTA email ]

    I don't think that knowing what MTA stands for is necessary but
    it is difficult to believe you have managed a 40,000 user email
    for years without stumbling over the term.
    Herb Martin, Jun 29, 2005
  18. Phil

    Herb Martin Guest

    I started out with a bug report. I was upset with the bugginess of the
    This is a DNS group -- bug reports even if we are to believe your
    disingenuous claim belong on some group about IE5 or sent to the
    MS webmasters, not hear.

    IE 5 is largely an obsolete product -- known to be full of bugs
    for modern sites (CSS etc.)
    Which group? What post? SPF belongs HERE in DNS or in Email
    groups if it belongs to the MS Groups at all (which I happen to think
    it does IF you are using Window 2000-2003, and especially if you
    are using MS DNS or MS email systems.

    No one cares about some unnamed person posting to some unnamed
    group with an unreference message.

    Chances are it was just more whining until we see real evidence.

    Ask a technical question and you will almost certainly receive help.

    This is a DNS group and your "bug reports" are both off topic here and
    when posted here. None of us can help with that web site.

    We CAN help anyone who wants technical help with most subjects that are
    on topic.

    You claim to be so competent in one post or paragraph and then
    claim helplessness in the next -- like find a copy of IE6 or Mozilla
    or whatever.

    Use modern tools or expect that many web sites will fail for you.
    Herb Martin, Jun 29, 2005
  19. Phil

    Jason Gurtz Guest

    You would know if I was throwing an insult your way; I'm not convinced
    that you're a just a simple troll. :)

    It's a simple fact that someone who has never heard the term MTA should
    really do a bit more research before trying to run an MTA, especially one
    that has as much traffic as you say yours has. It's an irresponsible
    person that would choose to do so. In this day and age (spam, bounces,
    and all that), that type of person is likely causing headaches for other
    administrators 'round the 'Net.

    Thanks, now go and ask your SPF questions in the proper forum please,
    'Nuff said.


    Jason Gurtz, Jun 29, 2005
  20. Phil

    Jason Gurtz Guest

    That would be it indeed. There are many people there that are well versed
    in the SPF thing.


    Jason Gurtz, Jun 29, 2005
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