Server 2003 vs SBE 2003

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by DJ, Jan 12, 2005.

  1. DJ

    DJ Guest

    I am looking for a comparison of Server 2003 Standard vs the SBE 2003. I am
    interested strictly in a comparison of the Server applications only not the
    extra applications that are bundled in SBE.

    I believe I am correct in the following differences but I am concerned I
    have not identified everything(SBE cannot run Terminal Services Applications
    SBE must be the domain controller SBE has stricter limitations on the number
    of CAL's)

    Can anyone point me in the right direction here?

    Thank you
    DJ, Jan 12, 2005
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  2. Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Jan 13, 2005
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  3. 1) You wouldn't want ANY domain controller acting as a terminal services
    application server, however a second MEMBER server will act and INTERACT
    greatly on an SBS domain

    2) Yes it has to be the "primary" domain controller - this shouldn't be a
    problem. It doesn't have to be the ONLY domain controller

    3) Up to 75 CALS, and then there's a breakout license package to go further
    if needed.
    Gavin Steiner, Jan 13, 2005
  4. I think SBS is garbage. I installed it, configured it, and tried to import
    mailboxes from 5.5 on it. Good thing I didn't step in it...
    fishy_stink_ho, Jan 13, 2005
  5. DJ

    DJ Guest

    Thank you, are there any other differences I need to be aware of?
    DJ, Jan 13, 2005
  6. There's a lot of folks out here who would disagree with you.

    Okay what issues did you have? Rules of the newsgroup.. you have issues
    ...we have solutions dear.

    Did you exmerge? Copy to pst files? There are many in here that have
    successfuly migrations.

    It's not garbage and it works. We're in SBSland where we can help.
    Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Jan 13, 2005
  7. Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Jan 13, 2005
  8. Thanks. I accept. I cannot reach my old box via system manager or the
    migration tool. Do I go back to the old box and run exmerge? (was
    nt4w/ex5.5, upgraded to win2000w/ad [still ex5.5]) The utility offered that
    option but it did not work. I did post here two days ago to ask if the
    migration was possible. I had no sbs and I'm planning on impementing it.
    But no one answered, so I went and demoted sbs with the intention of going
    with straight 2003 and exchange. Of course, now the wizard only recommends
    the sbs box which is long gone. Can we fix it?
    fishy_stink_ho, Jan 13, 2005
  9. DJ

    Henry Craven Guest

    Add that SBS cannot do Trusts or Sub Domains.
    Also cannot permanently join to another domain.
    Henry Craven, Jan 13, 2005
  10. DJ

    Henry Craven Guest

    Don't know about recovering that mess - I'd re-format and re-install

    Did you read:

    Small Business Server 4.5
    For step-by-step instructions to migrate from Small Business Server 4.5,
    see Migrating from Small Business Server 4.5 or Windows NT 4.0 Server to
    Windows Small Business Server 2003.

    On the SBS Site:
    Upgrading to Windows Small Business Server 2003

    Also have a look at For the price it can save you a
    lot of pain.
    Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
    Melbourne Australia

    Henry Craven, Jan 13, 2005
  11. Exmerge would probably be the best. Do you have any public folders in
    this machine?

    SBS must be the primary domain controller... are you still using SBS as
    the install media?

    There's also another method that may work at

    Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Jan 13, 2005
  12. DJ

    Iykwim Guest

    I know what you're talking about as far as nobody answering real questions.
    The most you seem to get here is 'it won't do that', 'try this', or 'read
    that'. On the other hand I just did the type of upgrade you're talking about
    over the weekend. NT4 domain with Exchange 5.5, fileserver etc. The
    suggestion about starting over is a good one. If that's not possible you can
    stop reading now. If it is, basically it works like this.

    1. Bring up the SBS server configure the domain (must be a different NetBios
    name that the existing NT domain)
    !!! You will need to configure the Administrator password to the same as
    the one on the NT domain. This will get you the required access when the time
    comes to migrate the NT domain.
    2. Configure DHCP and DNS
    3. Run the Active Directory Migration Tool (ADMT)
    !!! Use the runas /netonly to lanch the tool using the NT domain Admin ID
    this gets you in
    !!! Test Everything first following Step 3. !!!
    4. Migrate User objects !! Be sure and migrate SID History since you are
    migrating E-mail
    !! Try not to migrate service accounts if you don't have to. If you do
    migrate them seperately
    5. Migrate Groups
    !!! Built In groups don't migrate this may be impotant
    6. Migrate computer objects
    7. Migrate Exchange mailboxes
    !!! Not the Administrator mailbox or AV mailboxes if they exist.

    This process doesn't take very long if your existing environment is clean
    and up to date. Here is a link to the SBS update page on there you will find
    a document that will guide you trough the step by step process., Read it,
    make sure your NT and Exchange servers are up to date as required, and don't
    ignore anything or try shortcuts.

    You'll be looking for the reference to the Migrating from Small Business
    Server 2000 or Windows 2000 Server to Windows Small Business Server 2003

    Be sure go through everything first before you begin.

    I'm not a big fan of SBS but it has it's place and the upgrade works as
    advertised as long as the setup is as MS recommends.
    Iykwim, Jan 13, 2005
  13. DJ

    Iykwim Guest

    Correction I misstated in the SBS document reference You will b elooking for
    Migrating from Small Business Server 4.5 or Windows NT 4.0 Server to Windows
    Small Business Server 2003.
    Not the
    Migrating from Small Business Server 2000 or Windows 2000 Server to Windows
    Amall Business Server 2003 document.

    Iykwim, Jan 13, 2005
  14. Iykwin? Can I ask you about one of your statements that "nobody
    answering real questions"?

    When we're volunteers out here.. I kinda figure that "read this" is
    okay. What would like to see?

    We're just peers helping peers and sometimes "try this" is because it
    worked for us but we can't guarantee it will work for you.
    Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Jan 14, 2005
  15. DJ

    Iykwim Guest

    The statement was not meant to be a criticism of those who offer what help
    they can provide. I was just echoing the frustration. None should mistake
    that as a reason not to make those suggestions. The frustration arises when
    one sees all this interaction, posts an issue and receives no response. It's
    the nature of the beast it would be nice if the talent level ran a little
    deeper but as you wrote "we're volunteers out here" and as such only a
    certain level of help is attainable in this forum.

    Actually it's funny I had a feeling you would respond to that comment. In
    reading through the postings here it's not the first time you've replied to
    something like that. I should have let it go rather than take that jab. But I
    have never had a post answered, not one so you'll have to forgive me. Double
    regrets especially since fishy_stink obviously couldn't find h** a** with
    both hands ITwise and I hope is doing all that in the basement not someone’s

    Thanks for being consistent ;)

    Iykwim, Jan 14, 2005
  16. DJ

    Henry Craven Guest

    Keep digging. I can see you're winning friends fast.

    As to:
    "I have never had a post answered, not one"

    That's Horseshit ! &as_scoring=d&lr=&num=50&hl=en

    The only one that wasn't answered was buried as message 250 in thread of
    264 messages.
    2 even received responses from Microsoft Reps.

    Henry Craven {SBS-MVP}
    Melbourne Australia

    Henry Craven, Jan 14, 2005
  17. You took the time to write a long primer on this upgrade. That was pretty
    helpful. I do appreciate that, really. Apparently you're quite able to
    find your own ass, as you've demonstrably shown it here .

    Anyway, I will report that I still do not love SBS, but did get the
    migration done. Some of my problems were not SBS's fault. After changing
    the domain name, things got easier. I ran into yet another snag. (shock,
    horror) I had an ldap error, which seems to be realted to a conflict. I
    did change the ldap port number on the 5.5 box, but it still wouldn't play
    ball. The users and their sids made it over, it was the mailboxes
    themselves that would not go. So here comes exmerge to the rescue, right?
    Well almost. I got the boxes out into .pst's. But could not connect to
    destination server from there. NP, I just moved them over and tried to run
    Exmerge on the sbs 2003 box. NOT. error exchmem.dll cannot be found.
    Looked it up, no idea. maybe its not supposed to run on sbs 2003, and must
    be run from the old box. Anyway having had enough of this crap, I just got
    it running and imported the boxes in through a properly configured oultook
    on a desktop machine.

    This should have been easier, some of the "rules" for this upgrade are not
    made readily apparent.

    fishy_stink_ho, Jan 15, 2005
  18. IMHO 4.5 was an icky platform in general. When coming from that
    platform if the network of the old box is pretty gunky..sometimes you
    have to do what you have to do.

    Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Jan 16, 2005
  19. This was actually a nt4 plus ex 5.5 which I upraded to windows 2000 w/ad.
    It did not have sbs prior to the upgrade. Sorry if I was les than clear on
    this from the start. But the pricipal applies, it was gunky. Again I do
    thank everyone for their help. I may learn to appreciate the features sbs

    fishy_stink_ho, Jan 16, 2005
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