services in vista

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by PhilWardstill, Mar 11, 2007.

  1. I have disabled some services that I do not want running but they still seem
    to want to start. How can I disable them so they will not run? The services
    in question are: security center, windows Defender. There are other services
    like Bluetooth that I don't use and the laptop does not have anyway and they
    do not cause any problems.

    I can right click on the icon in the tray and turn off security center, but
    it still should not even start when the service is disabled.

    Defender puts an icon in the tray stating that it failed to start, and I
    have to right click it and choose exit. This just doesn't seem right.
     
    PhilWardstill, Mar 11, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    You cannot disable those services. There are protections in Vista that
    prevents the security-relevant services from being disabled, under normal
    operations.
     
    Jesper, Mar 11, 2007
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    Robert Moir Guest

    Can't comment on Security Centre (not sure why you would want this turned
    off?).

    Defender comes in two parts, the service that runs in the background and
    does what it does - you've disabled this already, and a program that runs at
    startup to interact with the user.

    You've disabled the service and left the startup program running, and the
    startup program is complaining that it can't connect to the service. This
    makes sense enough to me, I have to say. Stop the startup program too, and
    all should be well.
     
    Robert Moir, Mar 11, 2007
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    Bytesback Guest

    Once you have disabled the security centre you can then disbale all the
    others.

    Heres how to finally rid yourself of the security centre


    - Go to Start --> Run and type "cmd" without the quotes.
    - Type "cd\" followed by "cd windows\system32".
    - Now run the following commands:
    - takeown /f wscapi.dll
    - takeown /f wscsvc.dll
    - takeown /f wscui.cpl
    - Now you have ownership of the files. Go into the system32
    directory in explorer and right click each file, go to the
    security tab and add an entry for everyone and give them full
    access permissions.
    - Disable the Security Center Service via services.msc if you
    have not already done so.
    - In the system32 folder rename the three mentioned dll's
    (change their file extension to .bak).
    - To get rid of the Security Center service from services.msc
    drop to a command prompt and type the following:
    - "REG DELETE HKLM\SYSTEM\CURRENTCONTROLSET\SERVICES\WSCSVC
    /F", hit enter and reboot.
    - Enjoy no more nagging or icon in your system tray!
     
    Bytesback, Mar 11, 2007
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  5. Thank you for the suggestions. could not run the takeown commands. Took
    ownership via the properties option. Used msconfig to turn off Defender-it
    still seems to want to start. No more SC though.

    Thank you again.
    Phil
     
    PhilWardstill, Mar 12, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    Do I need to point out that you just voided Microsoft's support on your
    system?
     
    Jesper, Mar 12, 2007
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    Bytesback Guest

    And......................................:confused::D
     
    Bytesback, Mar 12, 2007
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  8. PhilWardstill

    Bytesback Guest

    My apologies, I Messed up in the instructions, nothing that will cause
    any problems, but just makes it easeier.Have amended the instructions
    now
     
    Bytesback, Mar 12, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    And......................................:confused::D

    You've disabled crucial features of the operating system. It is now anyone's
    guess whether the system will work properly, whether you can install any new
    programs, updates or service packs, whether the system is still considered
    genuine for purposes of downloading add-ons from Microsoft, or whether the
    system will even continue to run properly over the longer term.

    The OS was designed around these features being there and available. It has
    not been tested without them.
     
    Jesper, Mar 12, 2007
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    Bytesback Guest

    No, it isn't anyones guess. Do you think I do this stuff on a whim ?
    Dont you think I test to see if things still work ? If Microsoft
    hadn't been so ludricrously over the top with their security perhaps I
    wouldn't mind. But being forced to use their tools ,( which, by the
    way, dont actually do their job ) Is a downright cheek. As to
    Microsofts Licensing, IE: is it still genuine, well they can go and
    sing. And as for Microsoft support, Have you tried it ?

    Curious law in the UK states that for an agreement to exist it must be
    either Verbal or Signed. Ticking a box doesn't cut the mustard. So, the
    EULA is entirely worthless anyway. Dont get me going here or I'll tear
    the whole EULA to bits as to why it, in itself, is Illegal under uK
    law.
     
    Bytesback, Mar 12, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    I think you misunderstand my intention. I have no interest in trying to
    persuade you, in arguing over why your testing cannot possibly come close to
    three years worth on about a million systems done by Microsoft and others, or
    even in trying to argue why your interpretation of laws is more accurate than
    that of the hordes of lawyers who crafted Microsoft's EULA.

    My only intent is to make sure that this thread reflects the impact of this
    type of modification on your system; lest future readers find this idea to
    have some form of merit and destroy their systems with it, on the premise
    that it was given as advice in a Microsoft-sponsored newsgroup. Disabling
    fundamental security features of the operating system is a terrible idea,
    made even worse by the fact that nobody has yet made a valid argument for why
    this should be done, apart from that the features apparently offend someone
    for some unstated reason.
     
    Jesper, Mar 12, 2007
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    Robert Moir Guest

    The reason I turned Defender off (without resorting to such crude hacks as
    the ones detailed here) is because I already have a paid subscription to an
    anti-spyware program i consder more effective. Without getting into the
    debate over whether my opinion is "right" or not about which program is
    better, I think that is in principle a fair reason to disable Defender.
     
    Robert Moir, Mar 12, 2007
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    Bytesback Guest

    Any Reason you care to mention is a fair reason, it's your choice.:
     
    Bytesback, Mar 12, 2007
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    Robert Moir Guest

    Well.. yes, I know that. But I respect Jesper's opinions and so when he
    asked for a reason to turn defender off, I thought I'd present mine.
     
    Robert Moir, Mar 13, 2007
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