Setting permissions

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Security' started by Larry E, Mar 17, 2007.

  1. Larry E

    Larry E Guest

    I'm the administrator on my home computer. I have some files that I need to
    delete but I keep getting the Access Denied and that I don't have permission
    to access the files. How do I set up permission for all the folders and sub
    folders on my computer? I don't want to have to go in to each file and set
    permissions individually, I just want to do it once and never have to worry
    about it again. Is there a step-by-step that I can follow to accomplish
    this? I set the permissions on the parent folder and then I try to delete
    the folder and it tells me I don't have access to a sub folder, so then I go
    to the sub folder and give myself permission and then I get the same message
    again on another sub folder. I'm tired of doing it. Please help. LOL
    Larry E, Mar 17, 2007
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  2. Larry E

    Jesper Guest

    I'm the administrator on my home computer. I have some files that I need to
    You really, really, do not want to turn off all file system security. It
    would be a really bad idea.

    What you need to do is set permissions properly on the things you need to
    access. If you hit the Advanced button in the permissions dialog. and then
    hit the "Edit..." button, you will get a dialog with a few more options. one
    is to "Replace all existing inheritable permissions on all descendants with
    inheritable permissions from this object." That option will propagate all the
    permissions you set on the parent folder down to all the children.

    Please, do not do this on the entire hard drive. Do it on the things that
    you need to delete, when you need to delete them.
    Jesper, Mar 17, 2007
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  3. Larry E

    Tom Guest

    I had a similar problem and this is how I solved it.
    1. Click Start
    2. Control Panel
    3. User Accounts
    4. Make changes to your User Account
    5.Turn User Account control on or off
    6. Uncheck the box...Use User account control (UAC) to help protect your
    7. Click OK button

    Thats it. Now you have control of your computer.

    NEXT... to keep from logging in every time you turn on the computer,

    Still in control panel...
    1. Click Parental Controls
    2. At the computer Administrator icon click to remove password or (no

    Let me know if this fixes your problem.
    Tom, Mar 17, 2007
  4. Larry E

    Tom Guest

    In light of what Jesper said about not removing all security restrictions on
    your computer, my wife and I are the only ones that use our computer and so
    I am not worried about anyone else misusing my computer. I do not need the
    security to protect me from myself. If someone else is using your computer
    and you don't trust them, then by all means leave the security intact.
    Tom, Mar 17, 2007
  5. Larry E

    Jesper Guest

    In light of what Jesper said about not removing all security restrictions on
    Still, if you disable UAC the way you suggest you also disable an awful lot
    of the security enhancements in Windows Vista. For example, you will be
    reading all e-mail messages and browse all web sites as an administrator.
    That means that any malware you should happen to accidentally click on will
    run as an administrator.

    This type of thing was the number one cause of malware infections on Windows
    XP. These technologies are here to help you run as a non-administrator more
    of the time, to avoid having the slightest misclick result in your bank
    account balance being transferred to Moscow. I'm not making that one up
    either. It has happened, far too often.
    Jesper, Mar 17, 2007
  6. Larry E

    DevilsPGD Guest

    In message <> Jesper
    While you're not wrong, you know what the number one infection vector
    during my days with XP was? The top three is as follows:


    No infections. Zero. No reliance on definitions which are, by
    definition, out of date when they are needed most, during an outbreak.

    It's not for everyone, but for those that know what they're doing, UAC
    isn't needed.

    That being said, I've left it enabled since it's not really a big deal
    either, I rarely see more then a couple popups a day, and usually
    because I'm constantly tinkering with something.
    DevilsPGD, Mar 17, 2007
  7. Larry E

    Jesper Guest

    While you're not wrong, you know what the number one infection vector
    I had the same experience. Sadly, we were in the minority.
    Anti-* does not work for many of the modern attacks. The definition update
    cycles are far too slow.
    No, and you could quite easily claim that eventually malware will catch up
    with UAC and it will not provide protection even for those who need it. That
    much is quite clear. UAC is not primarily designed to protect against
    attacks. It is designed to increase the ability to run as a non-admin, which
    DOES protect against many attacks. By leaving UAC on, and demanding of
    vendors that they write software that works properly with it, those "that
    know what they are doing" can help those that do not be safer by helping
    reduce the number of situations where you must be an admin.
    Glad to hear it, and your experience is quite like mine.
    Jesper, Mar 17, 2007
  8. Larry E

    Larry E Guest

    Wow, thank you all for all your input. Ok, I do understand about the UAC and
    I have no intentions of turning that off. It's just that I ran into a
    situation where I needed to restore a backup file that I had saved in the
    Documents folder and when I tried to access that file in Documents, I was
    greeted with that silly message that I don't have permission to access
    Documents. As Administrator I think that is the silliest message I could

    I too, like both Tom and Jesper have never experienced an infection but
    still was glad to read about UAC and am not bothered those pop-ups. It's
    just that I have some junk files laying around my hard drive and I want to
    get rid of them and they don't appear in the Add/Remove, so I have to do it
    the other way, but I don't want to get stuck on all the sub-folders. And by
    giving myself permissions on the entire hard drive won't stop UAC from
    popping up, will it?

    Thanks again for all your sage advice, I really do appreciate it and it's a
    great learning experience.
    Larry E, Mar 17, 2007
  9. Larry E

    Guest Guest

    But the MS News server is using your computer right now. When you read this
    I am using your computer. If I trick you into doing X or there is a security
    flaw in OE then I can also access those files.

    Don't always think local. Think of the world. The only safe thing to do is
    not use passwords because only local people can do things without passwords
    not remote people.

    I'm not saying what you should do. I'm just pointing out your risk assesment
    is based on wrong hypothsis (local vs remote).
    Guest, Mar 17, 2007

  10. I don't recommend doing this at all. Over and above the security
    implications of turning off UAC, it has other undesirable side effects. For
    example, some program installations (Adobe Reader 8 is one) will fail, and
    fail mysteriously, without any indication of what the problem is.
    Ken Blake, MVP, Mar 17, 2007
  11. Larry E

    Tom Guest

    I have a totally different understanding of UAC than you do and I read this
    from a microsoft website. The purpose of UAC is to protect a computer if it
    is used at a company that has multiple users on a computer. Each users work
    would be protected from other people modifying it, deleting it, etc. Also,
    some people surf the web, at work, and could download malware which would
    wreck havoc on the computer (if it were not protected by UAC). And UAC
    prevents someone from loading their own software onto a company computer
    without administrator permission. BUT, I am retired. My wife and I are the
    only ones that use this computer. It has a firewall and we do not go to
    rogue websites. We have worked with computers for years and are comfortable
    around them. Occasionally, I repair computers and write software. And, Larry
    E asked a question and I answered it. What he does with that information is
    his business. I do thank you all for your inputs. I understand that one
    answer doesn't fit all users.
    Tom, Mar 17, 2007
  12. Larry E

    Guest Guest

    That is not what UAC is for. The computer does all that anyway. It allows a
    way arounds User Account protection in a supposedly more user ftiendly way
    and as many people run as Admin also gives them Standard user protection.
    Guest, Mar 17, 2007
  13. Larry E

    Jesper Guest

    Wow, thank you all for all your input. Ok, I do understand about the UAC
    Larry, I think you are absolutely right. This is a perfect example of what
    happens when you have geeks review user interfaces designed by geeks. I
    looked at that dialog for over a year before Vista shipped, and even though I
    did not like it, it was not egregiously bad. Spending just a few hours in the
    newsgroups you discover that the message is void of any real meaning to
    normal users.
    Actually, it would. The UAC popup happens because the process that is trying
    to delete the files does not have access to them. Even though you are an
    administrator most of the time your processes do not reflect that. When you
    elevate you "become" an administrator, if that makes any sense. By giving
    yourself full control over everything on the drive you will remove all the
    UAC popups related to file system access for your user account; but at a
    terrible cost.

    If that does not make any sense, might I suggest you read the book?

    I already explained it in depth there. :)
    Jesper, Mar 17, 2007
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    Jesper Guest

    Jesper, Mar 17, 2007
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