Setting 'System managed' page file for d: drive causes high CPU us

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by Dima, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. Dima

    Dima Guest

    Hello!
    Setting 'System managed' page file for my d: drive (EIDE Samsung SP2514N on
    JMicron JMB363 PATA and SATA controller on my Asus P5K motherboard) causes
    explorer.exe to use about 90% of CPU after a restart for several minutes and
    in about 10 minutes intervals during 720p video playback in VLC Player for
    several minutes.
    RAM 6GB, CPU Intel E6750. Vista Ultimate x64.
    I have set 'no page file' for my d: drive (EIDE Samsung SP2514N on my Asus
    P5K motherboard) and the problem disappeared. Why does setting page file for
    my d: drive cause the high CPU usage? My d: drive is least frequently used.
    I have not changed 'System managed' for my G: drive.
    I have set 'System managed' for my c: drive (WD5005000AACS ATA) too, and the
    problem have not reappeared.
    Regards,
    Dima
     
    Dima, Aug 3, 2009
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  2. Dima

    Gordon Guest

    You only need ONE page file for your entire system - you do NOT need one for
    each drive......and if these drives are partitions and not
    physically-separate hard disks then there's no advantage in moving the page
    file from C drive either....
     
    Gordon, Aug 4, 2009
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  3. Dima

    Dima Guest

    Thanks Gordon for your reply!
    I have 3 HDDs: 2 SATA: C: and G: and one EIDE d:. I do not have logical
    partitions. MS writes that Windows uses a page file on a less busy HDD at a
    time. The busyness changes over time, therefore MS recomends to spread a page
    file over all phisical HDDs.
    What program can assess performance with different locations of a page file?
    I want to compare different locations of a page file.
    Regards,
    Dima
     
    Dima, Aug 4, 2009
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  4. Dima

    Gordon Guest

    Never heard that one before - can you post a link to that?
     
    Gordon, Aug 4, 2009
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  5. Dima

    Dima Guest

    Dima, Aug 4, 2009
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  6. Dima

    Gordon Guest

    Thanks.
    i suggest then that you create a very small page file on C for the memory
    dumps and create a partition on your least-utilised HDD purely dedicated to
    the second, windows-managed pagefile.
    (The article only mentioned TWO page files as above, not one on each
    drive....)
     
    Gordon, Aug 4, 2009
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  7. Dima

    Dima Guest

    Thanks Gordon for your suggestion!
    My least-utilised HDD is EIDE Samsung SP2514N on JMicron JMB363 PATA and
    SATA controller on my Asus P5K motherboard. Asus writes that EIDE controller
    works slower than SATA on Asus P5K motherboard. It looks like explorer.exe
    loads CPU more when a page file is on EIDE HDD.
    A least-utilised HDD changes over time: uTorrent seeds several-Gb-files and
    I play HD videos from C:, D: and G: HDDs alternately.
    If D: and G: HDDs are busy at the same time, its better to use a page file
    on C: HDD, therefore the C: page file should be normal sized. If only G: HDD
    is busy, its better to use a page file on d: HDD, because C: is a system HDD.
    Am I right?
    How to test performance of different page file locations?
    Regard,
    Dima
     
    Dima, Aug 4, 2009
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  8. Dima

    Gordon Guest

    Trial and error?
     
    Gordon, Aug 4, 2009
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  9. Dima

    Dima Guest

    Thanks Gordon for replying!
    Is there a software that evaluates PC performance including a page file usage?
    Why could explorer.exe use 95% of CPU time for minutes without a user input?
    Regards,
    Dima
     
    Dima, Aug 4, 2009
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  10. Dima

    Gordon Guest

    I don't know. Have you tried googling "PC performance analysis software"?
     
    Gordon, Aug 4, 2009
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  11. Dima

    SC Tom Guest

    SC Tom, Aug 4, 2009
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  12. Go to http://billsway.com/notes_public/winxp_tweaks/ and download
    WinXP-2K_Pagefile.zip and monitor your page file usage. That should
    give you a good idea of how much of the page file is actually used.

    I believe that in another message you said you had 6GB of RAM. With
    that much RAM, it's highly likely that your page file is not used at
    all or is used very little. In that case, it doesn't really matter
    where you put it or how large it is.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Aug 4, 2009
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  13. Err - You have <sigh> never heard that one before? Err? Maybe, Err,
    they can post a link Err <sigh>
     
    Gordon's Psychiatrist, Aug 4, 2009
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  14. Err Trial and Err Error. Err.
     
    Gordon's Psychiatrist, Aug 4, 2009
    #14
  15. Err - Maybe they have Err tried googling before. Err.
     
    Gordon's Psychiatrist, Aug 4, 2009
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  16. Dima

    Dima Guest

    Thanks Ken for your reply!
    explorer.exe began to use much of CPU after increasing RAM from 2GB to 6GB
    when I open a 4Gb mkv file in VLC player when uTorrent has been seeding for 8
    hours already.
    Before increasing RAM, HDD was busy for several minutes in 30 minutes
    intervals when uTorrent has been seeding.
    How to prevent the explorer.exe from overloading CPU?
    ProcessExplorer64.exe
    http://download.sysinternals.com/Files/ProcessExplorer.zip gives the
    following for explorer.exe when the later uses much of CPU:
    Process PID CPU Description Company Name
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    Interrupts n/a Hardware Interrupts
    DPCs n/a Deferred Procedure Calls
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    uTorrent.exe 2712 µTorrent BitTorrent, Inc.
    magent.exe 2920 Mail.Ru Ðгент Mail.Ru
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    cmd.exe 3496 Windows Command Processor Microsoft Corporation
    procexp64.exe 3028 22.73 Sysinternals Process Explorer Sysinternals -
    www.sysinternals.com

    Process: explorer.exe Pid: 2028

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    Regards,
    Dima
     
    Dima, Aug 6, 2009
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