Sharing between Vista Laptop and XP Desktop/Printer

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Networking' started by Pierre Martin, Dec 1, 2007.

  1. I have similar problem as Linda830 but a bit more basic.
    I have a printer on a wireless XPHome Desktop and I want to print from a
    Vista Home Basic Laptop.Configuration is as follows;
    XPHome desktop wired to Linksys Wireless router
    Wireless XPHome desktop with Canon ip4200 printer
    Wireless Vista Home Basic laptop

    I can see the wireless desktop and printer from the wired desktop
    I want to but can't see the wireless desktop and printer from the Vista laptop

    All 3 comps have same workgroup name
    All 3 comps have internet access via the network

    On the Vista laptop all I can see is the private network name and internet

    At one point during my setup of the new laptop, I had access to the wireless
    desktop and printer and printed out a page. For some reason I can no longer
    duplicate the setup.

    Right now the ip4200 printer is listed in the laptop's printers from when it
    worked but I can no longer use it.
    This problem is baffling me. I've been trying everything I can get my hands
    on. It's a preloaded laptop so I can't ask Microsoft about it.

    Any help would be much appreciated.
     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 1, 2007
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  2. Robert L. \(MS-MVP\), Dec 1, 2007
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  3. Don't know how to do that from Vista laptop. Vista is totally new to me.
     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 1, 2007
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  4. Hi Pierre,

    From my own efforts in getting my printer (hosted on an XP box) shared to a
    Vista laptop, I learned two key ingredients seemed to be needed for it to
    work:
    First, networking & sharing needed to function between the computers.
    Second, Vista needed to have the proper driver loaded for the printer.

    It was this second issue that I (and I believe Linda830) were struggling
    with (see her thread started 29 Dec for details). In your case, since you did
    have the printing working at one time and you still have the ip4200 icon
    visible on the laptop, it sounds to me like the problem lies with getting
    Vista to see the two XP machines.

    You've said the computers have the same Workgroup name. Here's some other
    things to check on the Vista machine:
    ->The Network Location type is "Private" (you implied this is already the
    case I think)
    ->In the Sharing And Discovery Section - File Sharing is ON, Public Folder
    Sharing is ON. You could also try to see if you can turn ON Printer Sharing
    (I couldn't, since there was no local printer attached to the Vista box, but
    in your case perhaps the fact that you did at one time have a printer
    recognized might mean Vista will let you turn it ON)
    ->Windows Firewall (or other firewall) is set to allow sharing. You may,
    while setting up, disconnect yourself from the internet and then turn off all
    firewalls, just to simplify things. Once you get printing working, then turn
    the firewalls on again.
    ->When setting up I logged in as a user with the same name and with Admin
    privileges on both computers, but I have since noticed that this is not
    needed anymore to print. Perhaps it never was...

    There is a troubleshooting guide on Microsoft's website that might be
    helpful - go to Vista's Solution Center and under the heading Home
    Networking, click on "Troubleshooting network and Internet connection
    problems". On the next page, select "Troubleshoot problems with computers not
    appearing on the network map", then "A computer or device does not appear on
    the network map." The discussion about the Link Layer Topology Discovery
    (LLTD) may be relevant to you - there is a download for XP computers that
    installs LLTD to allow Vista computers to see the XP machine. I installed
    that.

    Other things I tried:
    Ensure NetBIOS is enabled for the network cards on all the machines. This
    protocol seems to be used in locating computers on the local network. Until I
    enabled it, I couldn't see the shared computers in Windows Explorer's Network
    Neighborhood, but I could reach them with a 'ping 192.168.1.100' at the
    command prompt (replace 192.168.1.100 with whatever IP address is assigned to
    the remote computer).

    Good luck,
    Bjarne
     
    Bjarne Hansen /freya, Dec 1, 2007
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  5. Just figured it out on the Vista Laptop.
    Pinged the desktop by typing Ping 192.168.1.100 which is the IP address I
    got off the router and I got 4 sent 4 answered so I guess I can ping the
    desktop.
     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 1, 2007
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  6. LLTD is activated
    Printer and file sharing is on for the desktop
    Can't find Netbios as an option on the wireless adaptors
    I think the problem is with the Vista laptop since I can see and print to
    the wireless desktop from the wired desktop running XP.
    I can also ping the wireless desktop/printer from the laptop
     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 1, 2007
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  7. Can you ping it by name? if not, this is name resolution issue. Make sure
    NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Or check this link.

    Can't enable NetBIOS over TCP/IPI even tried disabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP,
    restarting the PC, ... I am running windows Vista x64 Ultimate, the problem
    I have is that when I ...
    www.chicagotech.net/netforums/viewtopic.php?t=1170


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    Robert L. \(MS-MVP\), Dec 1, 2007
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  8. I can ping the XP desktop from the Vista laptop but not vice-versa. Got the
    IP addresses from the DHCP clients table on the router. Laptop is
    192.168.1.104 and desktop is 192.168.1.100
    Can't find where to enable NetBIOS
     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 1, 2007
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  9. On my Vista box, I got to the NetBIOS by:
    Control Panel -> Network and Sharing Center
    Click on 'Manage Network Connections. You should see a list of ntwk
    adapter(s).
    Right-click on the ntwk adapter you are using:select Properties.
    In the Networking tab, highlight the Internet Protocol Version 4(TCP/IPv4)
    entry.
    Click on the Properties button.
    In the General tab, click on the Advanced button.
    In the WINS tab, there should be several radio buttons for NetBIOS settings.
    Choose the Enable NetBIOS option, and <OK> your way back out of the dialog
    boxes...

    Hope this helps,
    Bjarne
     
    Bjarne Hansen /freya, Dec 2, 2007
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  10. Pierre Martin

    Mick Murphy Guest

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

    Have a read of the above link re Vista File and Printer Sharing.

    1st thing to do is make sure that the Workgroup Name of ALL the computers is
    the SAME.

    In Vista Network and Sharing:

    Network Discovery: ON (So it can see the other computers)

    Network set to Private (Public is for hotspots, airports, etc)

    File Sharing: ON

    Public Folder Sharing: ON (Vista’s Public Folder is the same as XP’s Shared
    Docs)

    Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and
    passwords on ALL computers in your Network) If you have it ON, you will be
    asked for a username and password when you try to access a Vista computer
    from an XP computer.

    Also, run the XP’s Home Network File and Printer sharing Wizard
     
    Mick Murphy, Dec 2, 2007
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  11. I have tried everything and still can't see the XP desktop from the Vista
    laptop.
    Situation is as follows;
    Can see desktop/printer from second XP Desktop so desktop appears to be
    properly configured for file and printer sharing.
    Can ping desktop from laptop
    Can't ping laptop
    All computers have internet access and same workgroup name
     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 2, 2007
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  12. Pierre Martin

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    Do some diagnostics, and isolate the problem. Look at logs from "browstat
    status", "ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation",
    from each computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow
    instructions precisely (download browstat!) (note the command window in Vista):
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Dec 2, 2007
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  13. Network setup is;
    XPHome desktop wired to Linksys wireless router
    XPHome desktop wireless + ip4200 printer
    Vista home basic laptop wireless

    Private network, all comps have same Workgroup name and all 3 see Internet
    All 3 have file sharing turned on and have Norton 360
    Can see wireless desktop from wired desktop
    Can see wired desktop from wireless desktop but access is denied(not a
    problem for now)
    Can't see laptop from either desktop
    Can't see either desktop from laptop
    Can ping wireless desktop from laptop
    Can't ping laptop from from wireless desktop


    Ran ipconfig /all on wireless desktop and got the following

    Windows IP Configuration
    Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : office
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 5:
    Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet
    Adapter #2
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-19-66-44-FA-99

    Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 2:
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Linksys Wireless-G PCI Network
    Adapter with SpeedBooster #2
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-16-B6-57-E4-4B
    Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
    Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::216:b6ff:fe57:e44b%5
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 24.200.241.37
    24.201.245.77
    24.200.243.189
    fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
    fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
    fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 3 décembre 2007 06:35:49
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 4 décembre 2007 06:35:49

    Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF-FF
    Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::ffff:ffff:fffd%6
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
    NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

    Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
    Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
    Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic Tunneling
    Pseudo-Interface
    Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : C0-A8-01-64
    Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.100%2
    Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
    fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
    fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
    NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

    Ipconfig on Laptop says:

    Windows IP Configuration

    Wireless network connection
    Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
    IPv4 address.......................192.168.1.104
    Subnet mask.......................255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway...................192.168.1.1

    I just want to use the desktop's printer from the laptop!

     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 3, 2007
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  14. Pierre Martin

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    OK, try reading about "ipconfig /all" and "browstat status". Even though the
    logs from each may look like gobbledegook to you, they can be very useful when
    you have a problem. You've given us "ipconfig /all" from Office, and nothing
    useful from Laptop. How about "browstat status" from both too?
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/reading-ipconfig-and-diagnosing.html

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Dec 3, 2007
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  15. Thanks for getting back to me. The Vista on the laptop is in French, do you
    need me to translate the ipconfig /all and Browstat results?
    Ran browstat on the XP machine. Results are as follows;
    Status for domain HOME on transport
    \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5F360CE7-B211-4C98-921C-C539FB098A55}
    Browsing is NOT active on domain.
    Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus

     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 4, 2007
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  16. In case I don't need to translate it, here is the ipconfig /all fir the Vista
    laptop

    Configuration IP de Windows

    Nom de l'hote . . . . . . . . . . : PC-de-Eliane
    Suffixe DNS principal . . . . . . :
    Type de noeud. . . . . . . . . . : Hybride
    Routage IP activé . . . . . . . . : Non
    Proxy WINS activé . . . . . . . . : Non

    Carte réseau sans fil Connexion réseau sans fil:

    Suffixe DNS propre à la connexion. . . :
    Description. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Atheros AR5007EG Wireless
    Network Adapter
    Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . . . : 00-19-7E-72-20-1F
    DHCP activé. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Oui
    Configuration automatique activée. . . : Oui
    Adresse IPv4. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.104(pr‚f‚r‚)
    Masque de sous-réseau. . . .. . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Bail obtenu. . . . . . . . .. . . . . : 4 décembre 2007 09:10:27
    Bail expirant. . . . . . . . .. . . . : 5 décembre 2007 09:10:50
    Passerelle par défaut. . . .. . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Serveur DHCP . . . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Serveurs DNS. . . . . . . . . . . . . : 24.200.241.37
    24.201.245.77
    24.200.243.189
    NetBIOS sur Tcpip. . . . . . . . . . . : Activé

    Carte Ethernet Connexion au réseau local :

    Statut du média. . . . . . . . . . . . : Média déconnecté
    Suffixe DNS propre à la connexion. . . :
    Description. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Marvell Yukon 88E8038 PCI-E Fast
    Ethernet Controller
    Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . . . : 00-1B-24-3D-3B-89
    DHCP activé. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Oui
    Configuration automatique activée. . . : Oui

    Carte Tunnel Connexion au réseau local* :

    Statut du média. . . . . . . . . . . . : Média déconnecté
    Suffixe DNS propre à la connexion. . . :
    Description. . . . . . . . . . . . . . :
    isatap.{9F87095F-F93D-4FA8-99E7-B8F0BE71440B}
    Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
    DHCP activé. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Non
    Configuration automatique activée. . . : Oui

    Carte Tunnel Connexion au réseau local* 2 :

    Suffixe DNS propre à la connexion. . . :
    Description. . . . . . . . . . . . . . :
    isatap.{449B4BC6-C984-4C20-B638-82C2A9A4DF09}
    Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
    DHCP activé. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Non
    Configuration automatique activ‚e. . . : Oui
    Adresse IPv6 de liaison locale. . : fe80::5efe:192.168.1.104%11(pr‚f‚r‚)
    Passerelle par défaut. . . .. . . . . :
    Serveurs DNS. . . . . . . . . . . . . : 24.200.241.37
    24.201.245.77
    24.200.243.189
    NetBIOS sur TCPIP. . . . . . . . . . . : Désactivé

    Carte Tunnel Connexion au réseau local* 6 :

    Suffixe DNS propre à la connexion. . . :
    Description. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
    Adresse physique . . . . . . . . . . . : 02-00-54-55-4E-01
    DHCP activé. . . . . . . . . . . . . . : Non
    Configuration automatique activée. . . : Oui
    Adresse IPv6. . . . . . . . . . .:
    2001:0:4136:e388:14a7:2a:3f57:fe97(pr‚f‚r‚)
    Adresse IPv6 de liaison locale. . : fe80::14a7:2a:3f57:fe97%12(pr‚f‚r‚)
    Passerelle par d‚faut. . . .. . . . . : ::
    NetBIOS sur TCPIP. . . . . . . . . . . : Désactivé

     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 4, 2007
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  17. Pierre Martin

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    So how about one more browstat log? This information is most useful when
    presented for each computer involved - it saves a lot of guessing.

    Right now, I'm guessing a NetBT setting mismatch, or a personal firewall
    problem.
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

    Maybe an antivirus with an antiworm component, or another overlooked personal
    firewall.
    <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Dec 4, 2007
    #17
  18. Hi Chuck
    I have Norton 360 on the 3 comps
    Removed it from the laptop
    Checked Norton firewall settings on XP Desktop and under network had 3
    SSID's and 1 Gateway Physical address(Didn't know what it was). Changed all
    of them to Trusted.
    Miracle!!
    I can now see the XPdesktop and printer from the laptop.
    Will reinstall Norton on laptop and configure firewall same as XPDesktop.
    Learned a bit about networking in the process.
    You're a good guy to have around when you're pulling out your hair.
    Thank you very much
    Pierre Martin
    Pierrefonds, QC, Canada
     
    Pierre Martin, Dec 5, 2007
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  19. Pierre Martin

    Chuck [MVP] Guest

    Hi Pierre,

    It's good that one of us was able to save hair. ;-) I'm glad that I was able
    to help you sort out the problem. Thanks for letting us know.

    --
    Cheers,
    Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
    http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
    Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
    My email is AT DOT
    actual address pchuck mvps org.
     
    Chuck [MVP], Dec 5, 2007
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  20. Pierre Martin

    sligobloke Guest

    I've got a similar problem trying to share files on my main (XP Pro
    desktop with a Vista laptop. From reading around it seems to be relate
    to the file system used by the XP machine. Most XP machines are set u
    as NTFS but can read both NTFS and FAT32 while Vista is NTFS only. Fil
    sharing (advanced) and printer sharing work fine but I found it wa
    intermittant. The intermittant fault was associated with plugging in
    USB pen drive which is FAT32. I think what is happening is XP fil
    sharing with Vista is fine while the XP machine is NTFS only. When
    FAT32 drive is plugged in to the xp machine, the vista machine loose
    the connection to the shared volumes.

    Not being an IT person, this suggests that something about X
    filesharing driver changes when you plug in a FAT32 drive. I still nee
    to test this out by reformatting the pen drives as NTFS and see wha
    happens to the network link
    More late
     
    sligobloke, Mar 28, 2009
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