Shot myself in the foot with Windows Mail / RC2

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Mail' started by Al Christoph, Oct 14, 2006.

  1. Al Christoph

    Al Christoph Guest

    Here is what I did
    0) Started with an RC1 working Windows Mail.
    1) Completely copied my old c:\user\Fred\*.* folder to d:\Fred
    2) Installed Downloaded / Checked SHA1 / Built CD-ROM and Installed From CD
    (That's another story!-(((
    4) Fired up windows mail, canceled the initialization wizzard, and pointed
    the store folder to D:\Fred\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail i.e. the
    copy of the RC1 folder on the d drive. (This is confirmed by regedit.)
    5) Exited Windows Mail per directions (restarted the box even) and now I get
    the following three messages at Windows Mail start up - after a lot of
    waiting:
    [Window Title]
    WinMail.exe

    [Content]
    Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the
    Windows Mail message store. Your Windows Mail mailbox data is currently being
    used by another program, such as a virus scanner. Close the program or wait
    for it to complete its operation, then open Windows Mail again. (0x800C0155,
    2)
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Windows Mail
    ---------------------------
    Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be initialized.

    ---------------------------
    Windows Mail
    ---------------------------
    Windows Mail could not be started because another instance of it is still
    running on your computer. Please log off of Windows, and then restart Windows
    Mail. If the problem persists, save your work, and then restart your computer.

    --------------------------- SIDE BAR FOR VISTA DEVELOPERS LURKING
    -----------
    HEY I'M IMPRESSED. I just did a Ctrl+C on each message and the pasted them
    here. I sure hope that most of Vista works that way. Very nice indeed. (Not
    quite the way I design my message boxes to work, but still very nice indeed.

    Would that we had this with say windows 3.1:)))
    --------------------------- End of side bar
    -----------------------------------------------

    Note the third message is a red haring and if it persists into production
    likely to be very annoying to support personnel. I haven't gotten around to
    installing my AV software yet.

    OK So I shot myself in the foot.

    Suggestions Please?????

    OK I did the obvious and patched the relevant location in the registry and
    got my windows mail back. BUT I still would like to know what i could have
    done to preserve my settings etc across the rebuild.

    ---------------------------- Note to windows mail developers lurking
    -----------------

    No piece of software should through a legit user command break itself so
    completely so that it can't be restarted so that the user can undo the damage
    / get help on what to do next / etc. If a user restarts my software with the
    shift key held down or "reset" on the cli, then it resets itself. I suppose I
    could try reinstalling but that solution is NOT cool any more. Not when Vista
    goes in so smoothly. Well not this time, but as I said above that is another
    story:-
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    --
    Regards,
    Al Christoph
    Senior Consultant
    Three Bears Software, LLC
    just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
    Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
    Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.
     
    Al Christoph, Oct 14, 2006
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  2. Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
    And so on ...

    It is an issue not directly with Windows Mail, but with Vista itself
    and how it manages access control on folders from other systems. Had
    the very same experience like you, but when you copy your saved message
    store to the Vista drive before changing location in Windows Mail, then
    it should work (did for me, at least).
    Amen! And a good idea with the shift key! :)

    Saludos
    Roland
     
    Roland Bierlein, Oct 14, 2006
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  3. Al Christoph

    Al Christoph Guest

    Thanks for the prompt response.

    I hear you saying that even though both the C and D drives are on the same
    box, I needed to copy them from the D drive to the drive containing Vista -
    the C drive????

    Let me suggest another possibility. Say Sam is the log on user.
    Sam on RC1 copies his mail folders to D:
    Sam installs RC2 as a complete install (the only option available when I
    tried it.)
    Sam again enters Sam as the admin user name.

    The problem is that the Sam's are differentl. RC1 Sam <> RC2 Sam. The
    probably have different SID's (Security ID's in the registry, that make them
    unique.)

    Therefore the files on the D: drive belong to RC1 Sam while the new system
    is logging on RC2 Sam. Let me hypothesize two things:
    1) If I had changed ownership of the files on the D: drive to RC2 Sam there
    would not have been a problem.

    2) When you copied your files to the "Vista" drive their ownership was
    updated to reflect your new user id. Does this make sense?????

    I ran into this problem while playing with some other files on my D: drive.
    Even though Sam is an administrator, the system invoked UAC everytime I tried
    to delete one of the files. Not nice but that's what UAC is all about. Things
    were happy once I dug in and changed the ownership to RC2 Sam.

    --
    Regards,
    Al Christoph
    Senior Consultant
    Three Bears Software, LLC
    just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
    Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
    Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.



     
    Al Christoph, Oct 14, 2006
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  4. Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
    Well, that is what I did. My backup drive contains a Windows XP system,
    since the machine is dual-boot, so this _might_ have a role, too.
    Probably they have, yes.
    Makes perfect sense to me in order to explain what we were seeing. So,
    not Windows Mail is to blame, but Vista, respectively the access control
    system. I'm not sure whether it's a bug, though. There are points to
    argue for "by design".

    Saludos
    Roland
     
    Roland Bierlein, Oct 14, 2006
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  5. Al Christoph

    Al Christoph Guest

    Roland:

    Thank you for the continued conversation. I'm guessing that you are not a
    native English speaker. Your English is infinitely better than my long
    forgotten one year of college German. Danke.

    I certainly would not call what I'm seeing a bug, except to the extent that
    Windows Mail provides no mechanism for recovery of my stupidity except
    reinstall or regedit.

    However, I would assert that admins in the past typically have had full
    rights to other folk's stuff. So I need to educate myself on how Vista will
    handle this.
    --
    Regards,
    Al Christoph
    Senior Consultant
    Three Bears Software, LLC
    just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
    Microsoft Certified Partner (ISV)
    Coming soon: Windows Mail for Vista.



     
    Al Christoph, Oct 15, 2006
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  6. Buenas tardes: *Al Christoph* escribió:
    It's my pleasure! Not too often are newsgroup posters available for
    more than a few messages, thus not allowing for a thorough discussion
    of issues at hand.
    Ah, but it is still that obvious? And I had way more than one year of
    English in school! ;-)
    Windows Mail should not allow the user to put himself in a situation
    where the program is no longer able to start. I definitely agree with
    you on that, and that's why I still would call it a bug, even though it
    is ultimately caused by the way Vista handles file access permissions.

    Saludos
    Roland
     
    Roland Bierlein, Oct 15, 2006
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  7. Al Christoph

    Mppatriz Guest

    I got the same error mesages after installing additional memery (should not
    be related.
    Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the
    Windows Mail message store. Your Windows Mail mailbox data is currently being
    used by another program, such as a virus scanner. Close the program or wait
    for it to complete its operation, then open Windows Mail again. (0x800C0155,
    2)
    -----------------------------------------------------
    Windows Mail
    ---------------------------
    Windows Mail could not be started because MSOE.DLL could not be initialized.

    I have tried shutting down my virus protection and restarting computer but
    nothing but get same errors.
    Mike in texas

     
    Mppatriz, Apr 27, 2007
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