size matters? (system partition size for SBS 2003 and SBS 2003 R2)

Discussion in 'Windows Small Business Server' started by Bill Sanderson, Jul 29, 2006.

  1. I'm getting ready to install SBS 2003 on an existing SBS-2000 server for a
    small office--less than 20 users.

    My intent is to reinstall from scratch since there are a number of things
    about the present setup that I'm not satisfied with, and I am not using
    Exchange. (this is premium, however.)

    The existing C drive is an 8 gig partition of a larger array.

    I am on Software Assurance, and have every intention of moving to R2
    soon--perhaps as soon as I have 2003 installed and any kinks worked out.

    Do I need a larger C partition?

    (and my next question will be how to manage that on a Dell array system--but
    I'm not sure this is the forum for that!)


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    Bill Sanderson, Jul 29, 2006
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  2. Oh heck yes.

    Most folks are putting in 20 to 30 as the minimum C partition.
     
    Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Jul 29, 2006
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  3. And that's just for WSUS. ;-)
     
    Merv Porter [SBS-MVP], Jul 29, 2006
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  4. Thanks--I thought I saw 16 gigs mentioned for R2, will check out WSUS
    recommendations!

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    Bill Sanderson, Jul 29, 2006
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  5. Good grief yes! At least three times that, and I'd seriously suggest 4 times
    that size!

    As to how to get there. Use any of the many disk partitioning products to
    resize the partition. I personally use Acronis Disk Director. It has an
    option to create a bootable CD. Boot from that, resize your partition, and
    you're in business.

    Or, since you're installing from scratch, simply resize the partitions
    during the process.
     
    Charlie Russel - MVP, Jul 29, 2006
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  6. Well, I'm sure you've gotten the hint about size before now. On the Dell
    issue, you've either got one array equal to the size of the available
    drives, or you've got two arrays with one at 8 GB. If the former, just boot
    from the SBS CD and delete/recreate the partitions at the appropriate time
    in the beginning of the installation process - the screen that asks where to
    install SBS will allow you to redo partitions at whatever size you decide
    on.

    If you have to recreate a larger array, you just watch the system come up
    and hit whatever the secret code is to boot into the PERC controller BIOS.
    Delete both arrays and recreate them - either one at the largest size
    supported by the disks, which would be my recommendation, or two at the
    sizes you want. I absolutely don't see any advantage to creating two
    arrays, I just create one and partition it as I wish.

    If the procedure to delete the existing array(so) and create new is not
    readily apparent, I'd give Dell support a call and let them walk you through
    it. They should be happy to do that even if the server's under warranty.
    Don't forget that any of these procedures is going to kill all the existing
    data, so you'll need to plan adequately for that in advance.
     
    Dave Nickason [SBS MVP], Jul 29, 2006
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  7. Yes, for the love of God please More Space (of course everyone save that.)

    On WSUS , move WSUS some place off of C:
    IMO
    I usually stick it off on some large partition, Because it can get BIG.
    Don't Back it up either, (WSUS that is)

    If you get tight on space you can delete some of the folders.
    (Just remember next Build of PC/Server or Adding one, you manually make sure
    all Patches are updated before WSUS looks at it.)

    adding my 1.5cents
    Russ

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    Russ SBITS.Biz \(MCP SBS\), Jul 29, 2006
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  8. I normally have a huge folder called sources that has CD images of all the
    installed stuff, so I can repair things without shuffling CDs--does WSUS
    need a partition, or can the data storage be a folder?

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    Bill Sanderson, Jul 29, 2006
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  9. It's one array. I'd prefer not to kill the existing data, but will need to
    have backups anyway, of course.
    I think, from the commentary, that I should probably add another drive to
    the array before proceeding. Looks like that is easier than I'd
    expected--the drive is actually listed at Dell's site, apparently I don't
    have to talk to the folks in India and buy 1) the Drive, 2) the carrier, and
    3) the 4 screws necessary to attach the drive to the carrier.....
    (which I have done, in the past.)
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    Bill Sanderson, Jul 29, 2006
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  10. No it doesn't need a partition
    Think of it as a TEMP folder.
    (No offense to WSUS Data)
    But you can always reinstall and download everything again if needed.

    About 55GB covering standard Small Business Systems...

    Don't sweat much about it,

    Russ

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    Portland/Beaverton Oregon USA
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    Russ SBITS.Biz \(MCP SBS\), Jul 29, 2006
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  11. You don't mention what your server config is.
    Hopefully a RAID card and 2 Drives in it with space for 2 more.
    If the first TWO are RAID 1

    The easiest way would be to get two drives.
    (Same Size Same Speed, Same Brand preferable)
    Slap them in, Boot into BIOS RAID set up
    Create the ARRAY
    Let system boot up.
    Format the Drive with Computer control.

    And move what you need...

    Russ

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    Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
    MCP, MCPS MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
    Portland/Beaverton Oregon USA
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    Russ SBITS.Biz \(MCP SBS\), Jul 29, 2006
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  12. That makes sense--thanks. I understand--that data is valuable given the
    finite bandwidth of a slow DSL connection, but it isn't something I need to
    keep backed up daily.
     
    Bill Sanderson, Jul 30, 2006
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  13. Exactly :)

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    Russell Grover
    SBITS.Biz
    Enterprise Solutions for Small Business
    Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
    MCP, MCPS MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
    Portland/Beaverton Oregon USA
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    Russ SBITS.Biz \(MCP SBS\), Jul 30, 2006
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  14. Still digging a bit--every interface and document gives different info, For
    example, Dell's "original equipment" list shows a single drive, and two
    power cords. This box does not have redundant power, and has three
    drives--all set up as a single virtual drive, so I'm taking that to be
    raid5? Whether there's space for more is the next question--looks like if
    it is hardwired space, the limit is 4, and if hot-swappable, it would be 6.
    OK - looking again at the original equipment list, looks like it is
    hard-wired--both the drive and power cable assemblies specify 4 drops.

    Given this arrangement, I'm wondering whether I should stick with the same
    size drive or go with a larger one for the addition?
     
    Bill Sanderson, Jul 31, 2006
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  15. If you are trying to add a drive to the existing array, I'd call Dell server
    support and find out your options and how difficult this is to do (I would
    guess not very difficult). Dell parts people will not know how to advise
    you on this (a very polite description of my true feelings about their parts
    department).

    I bought a big drive and put it in the backplane as its own "array." I use
    that for WSUS, and could also use it for something like your 'sources'
    idea - something that's never backed up, or only backed up periodically when
    a big change calls for a new backup.
     
    Dave Nickason [SBS MVP], Jul 31, 2006
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  16. I think I'll do that. It looks like there's room for one additional
    physical drive in the array, and I can either get a 36 to match or a 72.
    I'll talk to them. I've dealt with Dell parts several times, and while I've
    alwayse ended up with the right parts in the end, I have never enjoyed the
    experience.
     
    Bill Sanderson, Jul 31, 2006
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  17. Most likely, you can just as easily stick in a huge IDE or SATA drive as a
    SCSI and it will cost you less. It won't go in the SCSI backplane, but I'm
    sure there is an IDE or SATA controller on the motherboard you can use for
    for your non-essential data storage - leaving the space on the array for
    critical stuff. I normally sell / recommend HP servers, but I do support a
    few PowerEdge systems. They all have a huge IDE drive in them with an
    Acronis image and daily backups.

    Buddy G.
     
    Buddy Greenshield, Jul 31, 2006
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  18. That's a good thought, and one that I've had as well--I need to open the
    case and see where the space is. There is an IDE controller, with nothing
    on it but a CD drive, which I need to change out for a DVD anyway. I want
    to consider expanding the array storage anyway, but an IDE drive would be
    just fine for this kind of nearly archival storage.
     
    Bill Sanderson, Jul 31, 2006
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