some simple and some not so simple things to wish for

Discussion in 'Update Services' started by SuperGumby [SBS MVP], Mar 19, 2009.

  1. In the WSUS3 console there is an information item:
    Download Status
    Updates needing files 56
    Downloaded 557MB of 4,500 MB

    Would anyone else like to be able to click 'updates needing files' and see
    the list of updates which need files?

    WSUS/BITS downloads 10 updates simultaneously. Would anyone else like to
    tell it to do 1 download, complete it, and then move onto the next. (and if
    this is somehow already possible can you please tell me how, other than
    manually using bitsadmin)

    How about 'prioritising' downloads? Once the list referred to above is
    available each item in the list can be assigned a priority, high/medium/low
    would do.

    TIA
    mm
     
    SuperGumby [SBS MVP], Mar 19, 2009
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  2. Or, simply open the Updates view, filter for Approval = "Approved", enable
    the "File Status" column and sort on that column, which will show you all of
    the updates with status "Files not downloaded" that are approved. This list
    should match the quantity reported for "Updates needing files".

    This is beyond the design specifications of BITS. BITS is designed to be a
    multi-threaded, multi-channel, bandwidth-managed, background file transfer
    mechanism.

    If you want to download files one-at-a-time (which will take about 10x
    longer to do, effectively lengthening the duration of time it takes to get
    your machines updated, and secure), then place BITS in *foreground* mode,
    and your wish will be granted.
    Using the WSUS (v2) Server Debug Tool:

    WSUSDebugTool /Tool:SetForegroundDownload

    Not that this is much different than using BITSADMIN.


    How about simply approving your HIGH priority updates first and ignoring low
    priority updates until you've approved/downloaded/installed said high
    priority updates?


    Here's a simple reality. The WSUS product is now in its third generation,
    and seventh year. It's a free product. It's fundamental design spec was to
    give the enterprise the ability to control the what/when of update
    installation. It's essentially achieved that basic functionality.

    Incorporating additional new features into the product at this point, to be
    frank, I'd think is highly unlikely, though I would agree, having the
    "Updates needing files" hyperlinked to a popup that would list those files
    would be a nice UI feature to have -- although I'd probably still just go to
    the All Updates view and sort on the File Status column.


    --
    Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
    Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

    MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
     
    Lawrence Garvin [MVP], Mar 20, 2009
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  3. See, 'ask and learn'. I didn't even know it was possible to adjust the
    columns which are visible in the console.
    Downloading 56 files totalling 4.5GB _should not_ take any different amount
    of time whether the downloads are sequential or parallel. In the sequential
    case individual files will become available sooner as they come to the top
    of the list and get downloaded but the total transfer time _should_ be the
    same.

    I possibly misunderstand 'foreground mode'. My understanding is such that I
    particularly _don't_ want it. I want BITS to only use a proportion of
    available bandwidth whereas my understanding of foreground mode is that this
    will cause BITS to use all available bandwidth.
    A valid alternative.
    Is there not going to be a WSUS4? Fair enough, I may have missed the boat on
    WSUS3 but surely such change may be possible, at least for consideration, in
    the next release.
     
    SuperGumby [SBS MVP], Mar 20, 2009
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  4. SuperGumby [SBS MVP]

    Dave Mills Guest

    In my experience the downloads do not take much longer than is takes to set the
    approvals. True 4.5GB would take more time but that is not going to happen
    often, usually during the initial set up of WSUS it will but after that it is
    not very common. I do not approve all updates just those needed and even then
    each update will have different approvals for different groups of computers,
    some getting a deadline set on the "under Construction" group while others don't
    get a deadline at all.
     
    Dave Mills, Mar 20, 2009
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  5. 4.5GB is ~30% of my 'download allowance'. Unfortunately I live in a 3rd
    (internet) world country known as Australia.

    I admit that I bring on much of the pain associated with this m'self, by
    downloading updates for many products not commonly in use on my network and
    having WSUS set to both 'download regardless of approval' and also do
    'express installation'.

    That ain't the question though. Does nobody require, or at least recognise,
    the benefits such changes would bring?
     
    SuperGumby [SBS MVP], Mar 20, 2009
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  6. But yet it does. If you're downloading 10 1Mb files in parallel, the total
    time taken is the time to download one 1Mb file. If you're downloading 10
    1Mb files in sequence, then the total time taken is the time necessary to
    download a 10Mb file (10 x 1Mb).
    While this is true, without some method of prioritizing the order of the
    downloading, the possible negative effect is that the *one* file you need
    right now will be at the end of the queue and it won't be available until
    the other 4Gb of files are downloaded.
    Are we talking about clock/calendar time, or the cumulative time of all
    downloading efforts?


    --
    Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
    Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

    MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
     
    Lawrence Garvin [MVP], Mar 20, 2009
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  7. There has not yet been a WSUS v4 announced. Having said that, though, it's
    really a foregone no-brainer. The current version of WSUS (v3), was written
    to run on IIS6. To run it on IIS7 requires running IIS7 with the IIS6
    compatibility module installed -- which pretty much defeats the advantages
    of using IIS7.

    I think it's a reasonable assumption that an updated version of WSUS
    designed to work on a native IIS7 installation is somewhere in the pipeline.
    (Windows Server 2003/IIS6 drops out of mainstream support in about 16
    months.)

    I would be particularly surprised if that update contained any significant
    feature enrichment, though.


    --
    Lawrence Garvin, M.S., MCITP(x2), MCTS(x5), MCP(x7), MCBMSP
    Principal/CTO, Onsite Technology Solutions, Houston, Texas
    Microsoft MVP - Software Distribution (2005-2009)

    MS WSUS Website: http://www.microsoft.com/wsus
    My Websites: http://www.onsitechsolutions.com;
    http://wsusinfo.onsitechsolutions.com
    My MVP Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Lawrence.Garvin
     
    Lawrence Garvin [MVP], Mar 20, 2009
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