Stop lying

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Wikie, Aug 12, 2009.

  1. Wikie

    Wikie Guest

    The browser comparison available here is mostly a lie:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx

    Both Chrome and Firefox have had phishing protection well before IE did -
    both use Google lists, the most accurate so far.

    Chrome has had private browsing long before IE had. "privacy victory" my ass.

    Web Standards: ACID 3 anyone? World-class supprot for CSS 2.1?

    Reliability: Firefox was first with crash recovery. Chrome invented tab
    isolation and Chrome has much better crash recovery - or better said - it
    does NOT crash (within experimental error).

    Why does Microsoft have to always lie... >.>

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    Wikie, Aug 12, 2009
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    Tom Willett Guest

    Hooplehead alert.

    : The browser comparison available here is mostly a lie:
    :
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/get-the-facts/browser-comparison.aspx
    :
    : Both Chrome and Firefox have had phishing protection well before IE did -
    : both use Google lists, the most accurate so far.
    :
    : Chrome has had private browsing long before IE had. "privacy victory" my
    ass.
    :
    : Web Standards: ACID 3 anyone? World-class supprot for CSS 2.1?
    :
    : Reliability: Firefox was first with crash recovery. Chrome invented tab
    : isolation and Chrome has much better crash recovery - or better said - it
    : does NOT crash (within experimental error).
    :
    : Why does Microsoft have to always lie... >.>
    :
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    Tom Willett, Aug 12, 2009
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  3. Wikie

    VanguardLH Guest

    Um, just WHERE do you see on that web page that Microsoft claims they
    had these features BEFORE it was present in other web browsers? Yeah,
    now we now who is the liar!

    As to that web page showing Firefox and Chrome don't have some features
    of IE8, yeah, it gets real easy to claim lies when you haven't a concept
    of the word "and". Did that web page say IE8 only had a phish filter?
    Nope. Notice the word "and" in the description. Did that web page say
    IE8 only had InPrivate Browsing? Nope again, but you seem to be
    deliberately blind to the word "and" in its description.

    "phishing AND malware protection"
    "InPrivate Browsing AND InPrivate Filtering"
    Based on your claim (that Microsoft said they had anti-phishing feature
    before Chrome), well, when the hell do you think Chrome got released?
    IE7 was out before Chrome, and IE7 has its phish checker then. Yeah,
    pretty easy to make a claim that Chrome had anti-phishing when you
    ignore that IE7 (with its anti-phishing) was available long before
    Chrome showed up. Double-DUH!

    Internet Explorer 7 released October 2006.
    Chrome released September 2008.

    Oh yeah, 2008 comes before 2006, uh huh.

    Anti-phishing was a feature added to Firefox v2. It was first a Google
    extension. Later they integrated it into Firefox.

    Internet Explorer 7 released October 18, 2006.
    Firefox v2 released October 24, 2006.

    IE still wins by being first with an anti-phish feature. IE7 got
    released before Firefox 2. Also, it was LATER when the extension was
    incorporated into Firefox.
    You haven't the intelligence of a gnat's fart regarding what *is* the
    Acid 3 test suite. Some boob mentions Acid 3 as though it were a fair
    test and says IE fails that test and, like a lemming's boob, you
    regurgitate their spewage without doing any investigation yourself.

    Gee, why does IE fail so many Acid 3 tests? Because the authors of that
    test are the same ones pushing for HTML 5 acceptance but which is still
    a proposed DRAFT and *not* a standard. You're too lazy or to stupid to
    actually go look at the spec for HTML 5 to see it is still a draft. Go
    to http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html. Is it really that hard
    to see "Draft" specified for the status for HTML 5? Maybe, just maybe,
    HTML 5 won't be a draft anymore by the time IE9 arrives.

    Unlike web sites that should automatically switch from using SVG to VML,
    the Acid 3 authors use only SVG knowing that it will hurt results when
    using IE. Oh golly, like someone else couldn't come up with the same
    vector graphics tests but which used only VML and then make Firefox and
    its ilk look bad. Duh!

    They are NOT an independent testing service. They are quite obvious in
    their agenda if you actually bothered to READ their web sites. Acid 3
    uses non-yet-standardized HTML code. Acid 3 is deliberately biased
    against VML.

    http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general/msg/25ea32a3a775d3dc

    Also read the following for some history:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vml
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svg
    And your point is? Oh yeah, that you couldn't bother to actually read
    the web page you noted to see it NEVER said it had this feature first.

    So did you actually check when Firefox had crash recovery versus when it
    was available using a free add-on? Oh yeah, like Firefox users never
    consider using add-ons, uh huh. The IE7Pro add-on was available long
    before Google showed up.

    So let's see what that web page said about recovery:

    "Only Internet Explorer 8 has both tab isolation and crash recovery
    features; Firefox and Chrome have one or the other. "

    Yes, Firefox has crash recovery. It doesn't have tab isolation. Chrome
    has tab isolation (by using a separate process for each tab). It does
    not recover a crashed tab.

    Have YOU even used Chrome? I did and found it a bare minimum web
    browser with little configurability but then that's what Google wanted.
    What Google wants is a faster Javascript engine (because they do a
    compile of the Javascript rather than interpret it) because they are
    planning on moving to Ajax web apps. They want it for their purposes,
    not yours. You do realize that Google also updates Chrome whenever they
    feel like it. You don't get to choose when the state of your host will
    change. You will need to use an SRP (software restriction policy) or
    app rule in a HIPS-enabled security product (some firewalls have it) to
    prevent their GoogleUpdater from running; however, since they have no
    Update function to select within Chrome, you'll have to do an update in
    the blind by going to their site to download Chrome and see if it
    happens to be a later version than what you have. Google also violates
    security for software installs by dumping files in the %userprofile%
    where the user has write and execute privileges rather than using MSI
    and/or installing their software under the Program Files folder where a
    limited user won't have permission to install software. Oh yeah, like
    I'm entralled with Google's want to avert security and takes away my
    control of updates. Yes, Chrome is a lot faster than IE (and Firefox)
    for web pages that incorporate lots of Javascript. Whether that has an
    impact to you depends on whether or not you actually use Ajax web apps.
    Why do you?

    So is Firefox paying you to proselytize their Google-sponsored web
    browser? Oh, I suppose you're also ignorant that Google pays $50M, or
    more, a year to Mozilla.

    Is IE the best web browser? Depends on how you use your web browser.
    Chrome is nice and light and very quick with Javascripted (dynamic
    content and AJAX apps) web pages but it is so minimally configurable
    that I felt it was a child's toy. I also do NOT like their search
    integrated into the address bar. I definitely don't appreciate they
    change the state of my host whenever they want. If they made their
    product more configurable (through the UI) and made their install
    compliant with normal security measures and let the user choose when to
    update then I would've left that web browser on my host. It would've
    provided a good check of web page layout against IE's rendering.
    Firefox has a ways to go for recovery, including separate processes for
    the tab resources. Oh wait ... no point going into why one web browser
    is better than another depending on its use and user preferences because
    you're not interested in facts.
     
    VanguardLH, Aug 12, 2009
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  4. Wikie

    Wikie Guest

    Wikie, Aug 21, 2009
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  5. Wikie

    Wikie Guest

    Yourself.
     
    Wikie, Aug 21, 2009
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  6. Wikie

    Wikie Guest

    I'm not saying they claim they had those before, but they say they
    exlusively have some features available for quite a while.
    I see only Privacy under IE8 checked. Others aren't checked. Too bad Chrome
    has Incognito >.> And it was avaialble before the first public IE8 beta.
    The page says IE8, not IE7. Go read again. Stop being an idiot and attak for
    me the sake of it. The page compares IE8 to Chrome and Firefox, and BOTH have
    had anti-phishing before IE8 got released.
    Don't put me into that bucket. I know too well what Acid 3 is, having been a
    web developer for 4 years.
    IE doesn't fail only at HTML 5. It fails at more stuff than that. How many
    websites do you see with a separate stylesheet just for IE or with hacks for
    IE? I SEE A FUCKING LOT!
    Why didn't Microsoft use the W3C standard SVG and pushed their proprietary
    VML that recently became an ISO standard with OOXML? For vendor lock-in. More
    proof that IE doesn't support web standards - no SVG, not another web
    standard.
    Because VML is not a web standard and just recently became an ISO standard,
    along with the OOXML abomination that got lobbied to become a standard - nice
    way to have two standards for the same purpose. ISO is no longer to be
    trusted as a standards body, just because of accepting OOXML and ignoring
    challenges to it's standardization.
    The page doesn't say that Google has both, but it has. It has had them
    before IE8. It only says "others have either one or the other" - applies only
    to Firefox which doesn't isolate tabs.
    Fine add-on, not built in.
    Sure it does. Refresh the page and the tab is recovered if it can be. IE8
    doesn't do any better. If it fucks up you can't magically fix it.
    I use Chrome as my main web browser and have fiddled with it's code as well.
    Users love to see JS applications like Gmail to work much faster, not just
    Google.
    Like Microsoft doesn't update IE when they feel like updating.
    Or just disable the service in services.msc.
    Or check for updates inside Chrome.
    MSI has it's own share of issues and restrictions, but I won't comment about
    that.

    I agree taht it is annoying to have Chrome in your user profile. What does
    it have to do with the comparison between IE8, Firefox and Chrome by Microsft
    ANYWAY?!
    How does it take away control? By using a service to update all their
    products like MS does with Microsoft update, which can be disabled as a whole
    or per-application basis?
    Where did I lie? No, Mozilla isn't paying me. I've dumped Firefox the day
    Chrome was released as beta.
    They get $50M from Google, I know. SO WHAT? Google pays Mozilla to provide
    their search engine as default, Microsoft provides their own Bing as default.
    Too many configuration options can confuse users. Please work a month as
    tech support and see what I mean.
    Google is configurable. See this link for more info:
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080902172724AAbTAdk
    So what? It's your own preference. Don't like the browser, don't use it, I'm
    not throwing it down your throat.
    Again, configure Google updater.
    See link above. That's still the UI, though not the options dialog you mean.
    They can via G. Update.
    Microsoft doesn't compare how their browser is better from a user
    preferences perspective, so why should I be interested?
     
    Wikie, Aug 21, 2009
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