stupid, stupid Microsoft [MAC access control desperately needed!]

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by invader, May 12, 2007.

  1. invader

    invader Guest

    I set windows update to "Download updates but let me CHOOSE whether to
    install them", and yet when I boot up my machine this morning, the worthless
    KB931768 "breaks IE7" update reinstalls itself and kills IE7.

    Well now I'm switching windows update to "never check for updates". However,
    I still have every expectation that this OS will reinstall KB931768 once
    again tomorrow morning. If it does, then I suppose I just switch over to
    Firefox permanently.

    And can someone tell me the purpose of UAC? It seems to protect my computer
    against me. I'm not a threat to my computer. Not once I have I broken my
    computer. Yet Microsoft has broken it three times now by repeatedly
    installing KB931768.

    Microsoft, if you are listening, please follow my suggestion. We desperately
    need MAC [Microsoft Access Control]. What MAC will do is everytime the
    Microsoft developer wants to release a patch, bother him with endless popups
    until he gives up. If the Microsoft employee attempts to disable MAC, then it
    should either a) refuse to process his updates, b) lie to him about procesing
    his update, or c) inundate him with even more popups until he quits.

    Please Microsoft implement MAC. It will be a million times more useful than
    UAC. It might make Vista almost as stable as a Linux of Apple box.
     
    invader, May 12, 2007
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  2. Sorry. The individual user is "always" the biggest threat to the computer.
    Without user action most computers would never become infected. Yes, there
    are drive by downloads. With a program like BOClean installed (user action)
    even these can be mitigated. They are stopped cold *before* they have a
    chance to execute on your computer.

    So, positive or negative, user interaction is the biggest threat, either by
    not doing something that you could to protect your system or by doing
    something that a prudent person would not do on your system.

    --


    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
     
    Richard Urban, May 12, 2007
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    JimR Guest


    Regarding KB931768 , run Windows Update, select View Details, right click
    KB931768, select hide this update.
     
    JimR, May 12, 2007
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    Geoff P Guest

    I was advised, by someone who knows better than I, that the main value of
    UAC is to stop programs making changes to important settings without the
    user's knowledge. I agree it's annoying, but I reckon it's trying to
    protect me from the nasties, not to stop me having control of my own system.
    Turn it off if you don't like it. I've decided to let it be for the time
    being.
     
    Geoff P, May 12, 2007
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  5. UAC actually gives control to the user.
    In the past certain malware could make changes whether the user wanted
    or not and usually without the user knowledge.
    UAC prevents that.

    As a computer is being initially set up or new programs installed, it
    is normal for more UAC prompts.
    Now I rarely see the prompts.
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], May 12, 2007
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    Alias Guest

    You're calling Windows' Auto Update a "drive by download"?

    LOL! Read for content, moron.

    Alias

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

     
    Alias, May 12, 2007
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  7. Alias

    No, I don't think he was.. read for content..


    --


    Mike Hall
    MS MVP Windows Shell/User
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
     
    Mike Hall MVP, May 12, 2007
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  8. You should "Read for content".
    You seem to have missed some content.
    If you also read the OPs question, you will see the part about UAC.
    Among other things, UAC can give control to the user by controlling
    drive by downloads.
    But you already know this and used your own apparent misunderstanding
    to insult others while adding NOTHING of value to this thread.
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], May 12, 2007
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  9. Dumkoph! The man said that he wasn't a threat to his computer.

    The man behind the keyboard is always the biggest threat to the computer he
    is using, either by commission or by omission.

    99% of the problems I have seen over the years have been self inflicted by
    people "trying" things that they should not have even thought about.

    --


    Regards,

    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

     
    Richard Urban, May 12, 2007
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  10. invader

    Nina DiBoy Guest

    LOL!
    Pendejo! What you say is only true if they do not practice safe hex.
    My impression of Alias is that he does. I've also seen him preach safe
    hex in the windows groups before.

    I would say the internet is quite harmful to computers.

    --
    Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
    http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

    Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
    "It would be nice if there was a check to see if you were running an
    activated/validated version of Windows before you were allowed to post
    in any of these news groups. If you're not activated/validated your post
    automatically gets deleted.
    That would get rid of the Linsux Luzzzzzzzzers once and for all."

    "Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
    - T. S. Eliot
     
    Nina DiBoy, May 14, 2007
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    Do you actually use one for anything at all except reading newsgroups?
     
    Charlie Tame, May 22, 2007
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  12. invader

    Charlie Tame Guest


    If Richard is right it's USERS installing things that cause 99% of the
    problems he sees, and given that UAC only warns as the ActiveX installer
    used to do then UAC does nothing much more, does it? In the case of 64
    bit however the system shuts down if I install an unsigned Kernal driver
    which means that I can't even write my own any pore without paying MS
    or Verisign or someone a ridiculous fee for my own work. Who did you say
    has control?


    Same question as asked of Richard - do you actually use a computer for
    anything except reading newsgroups?
     
    Charlie Tame, May 22, 2007
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  13. "do you actually use a computer..."
    Yes.
    Why would you assume otherwise?
     
    Jupiter Jones [MVP], May 23, 2007
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