Survey: User Account Control in your everyday work

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Anil Yadav [MSFT], Apr 26, 2007.

  1. I would like to solicit your input about User Account Control ("UAC") in
    Windows Vista as part of your daily work. Kindly consider the following:

    1. In your everyday work, do you come across any UAC prompts?

    2. If you answered "Yes" to (1), then:
    a. How often do you see the UAC prompts?

    b. What kinds of tasks / actions you do that result in UAC
    prompt?

    c. Do you do anything to reduce the UAC prompts you see?

    d. If you would like to see fewer UAC prompts, what kind of
    solution would be ideal for you?

    3. If you answered "No" to (1), then:
    a. Do you know why you don't see them?

    4. How much of your everyday work involves doing computer configuration /
    installation / maintenance / admin types of tasks?

    Thanks a lot for your time.
     
    Anil Yadav [MSFT], Apr 26, 2007
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  2. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Dave Guest

    I just turned it off. Too irritating too often. Perhaps after I'm all done
    configureing installing etc. I may turn back on again for a while to see if
    still bothersome in day to day operation but since I am doing development
    I'm guessing it won't stay on long.

    - Dave
     
    Dave, Apr 26, 2007
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  3. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    DanR Guest

    What is it protecting me from? Why for example do I get the "permission"
    prompt when I want to load device manager? The screen darkens and I click
    "continue". Obviously if I click device manager that's what I want to do.
    What does this layer accomplish.
    Could it be that malware might be smart enough to try to get at my device
    manager but UAC somehow prevents this by requiring that extra mouse click?
    Folks might be more forgiving if they knew and understood exactly why / what
    UAC is doing.
     
    DanR, Apr 26, 2007
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  4. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Dave Guest

    Yes that is the idea behind UAC - to keep malware from automating certain
    processes. Most security issues are users shooting themselves in the foot
    because the run malware via email or the web and it runs as the logged on
    user which is normal an admin.

    - Dave
     
    Dave, Apr 26, 2007
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  5. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    DanR Guest

    Is it supposed to make folks think twice before clicking here and there? In
    some cases UAC just won't let you do what you think you want to do but other
    times all you have to do is click "continue". I believe people are just
    clicking continue without giving it much thought.
     
    DanR, Apr 26, 2007
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  6. You'll understand what it does the first time you are watcjing a video on
    youtube and UAC pops up and states:

    xyz want's to install badboytrojan.exe

    Continue?

    --

    Ronnie Vernon
    Microsoft MVP
    Windows Shell/User
     
    Ronnie Vernon MVP, Apr 26, 2007
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  7. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Dave Guest

    Yes, that's the danger with this sort of scheme - getting used to just
    saying CONTINUE. Best to keep up to date on patches, be careful what you are
    doing have decent AV software and make backups...Dave
     
    Dave, Apr 26, 2007
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  8. Doesn't happen with a real operating system. Does this happen often with
    Windoze Fista?

    Love and Kisses,
    Doris
     
    Doris Day - MVP, Apr 26, 2007
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  9. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Not Me Guest

    I turned it off before I ever got all my software installed.
    When I pop the Office XP CD in the drive & get a prompt, I think... If MS
    doesn't recognize it's own installer.....
    I got it repeatedly on everything I tried to install or run.
    Maybe a good concept, but far from useable IMHO
    I just want my computer to work, I don't want AERO, sliding menus,
    shadowing, ad nauseum.
    They have art galleries (and beaches) for 'pretty'.
    Adjust for best performance...apply
    Use Classic menus...apply
    That should be the default. Those who want style over substance should have
    to add it, not force me to pay for it & shut it off!
     
    Not Me, Apr 26, 2007
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    Kerry Brown Guest

    Every time I try to sync my Palm device.
    Run an old version of Palm Hotsync that mus run in comatibility mode.
    Try to use Vista compatible programs.

    It would be nice to be able to say don't show me any more UAC prompts for
    this program. At the same time there has to be some way that the program is
    actually checked to make sure it is the same.
    Not much once the system is setup and running day to day tasks.
     
    Kerry Brown, Apr 26, 2007
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  11. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    John Waser Guest

    Non issue as we have moved all our clients off Microsoft product to more
    stable and reliable and much less expensive platform.
     
    John Waser, Apr 26, 2007
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  12. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Julian Guest

    ....to ensure clients can always access Microsoft communities.
     
    Julian, Apr 26, 2007
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  13. "Anil Yadav [MSFT]" <>'s wild
    thoughts were released on Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:43:19 -0700
    bearing the following fruit:
    Every hour at least.
    I'm a sotware developer and need to run my development
    environment and certain tools as administrator.
    I set the shortcut to run as admin so I only get one prompt
    instead of two.
    They don't bother me. I'd rather have them than have
    programs altering my system without my permission.
    A lot.

    J
     
    Jan Hyde (VB MVP), Apr 26, 2007
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  14. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    GreenWing Guest

    1. In your everyday work, do you come across any UAC prompts?

    Yes...Many, many (too many) times...
    Constantly for a lot of programs I use on a regular basis...
    Using task manager (showing tasks for all users)...Acronis backup
    daily...SQL server, etc...older programs that will never be updated to
    specifically address Vista UAC...
    Setting compatability mode and using run as administrator, but still get
    prompted...
    Ideally, there should be some mechanism in place to see that I have already
    been prompted and approved running an application EXE/DLL...Norton
    anti-virus can do that...UAC should be able to only prompt if the .EXE or
    ..DLL was changed since the last time I was prompted...

    It would also be nice to see the exact reason a prompt is being presented...
    Very little once everything is installed and configured...
     
    GreenWing, Apr 26, 2007
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  15. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Iuvenalis Guest



    I don't get any in my everyday work.
     
    Iuvenalis, Apr 26, 2007
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  16. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    GreenWing Guest

    Why aren't more folks responding to this survey?

    Seems like a good opportunity to let Microsoft have some helpful input on
    UAC...
     
    GreenWing, Apr 27, 2007
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  17. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Les Guest


    I hate it! I don't know much, but I managed to run XP from it's first
    release until now without any security problems - suddenly, I *have* to put
    up with what MS think I want/need. Not on at all! There should be a means of
    choosing to have the new 'high security' or, switch off the parts you don't
    want or need.

    Home users do not need the same level of security that a large business
    network may need. I managed for years with only freely available
    virus/firewall/malware programs and a bit of common sense.

    Why not have a 'security level' gauge that an administrator can set the
    level required. Best of both worlds.

    Remember - *administrator* - the one who should be able to set all of the
    computer users preferences! Instead of some jumped up new
    super-administrator or whatever the new name for *administrator* is today.

    What's next? The next OS from MS may need an IT tech just to switch it on!
    MS needs to remember who the administrators are - they are often the
    buyers/owners of the systems!

    --
    regards,
    Les Hay, Livingston, Scotland



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    Les, Apr 27, 2007
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    Dave R. Guest

    As soon as I start using Vista as my primary workstation (should have
    that system in a couple of weeks) I plan on it. But right now, I'm just
    evaluating what has to be done to get some of our software working, what
    OS settings we need to deploy with it, etc. Not exactly a situation
    where my feedback would be mainstream enough to be useful.

    Regards,

    Dave
     
    Dave R., Apr 27, 2007
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  19. we can turn it off, can't we? so why bother it? just turn it off..
     
    Jovino Margathe, Apr 27, 2007
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  20. Anil Yadav [MSFT]

    Les Guest

    Then, the security center wants to flash warning

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    regards,
    Les Hay, Livingston, Scotland



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    Les, Apr 27, 2007
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