System Restore Deleting Restore Points Automatically....

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Bowen, Sep 12, 2007.

  1. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    I have a problem with System Restore only keeping restore points 5 day
    back at the most. So for example, the oldest restore point I hav
    currently is from September 6, 2007. I've had this Vista x64 instal
    for around a month now. I should have restore points dating back t
    about August 1st or so

    I've got plenty of HD space too......around 500GB free I believe s
    that's not an issue. I don't have any viruses. I bet this is an eas
    fix, it's just that I don't know what that is. Vista is supposed t
    automatically make restore points every day doesn't it? According t
    this post at this site, Vista is supposed to save restore points fo
    around 136 years. 'Vista's System Restore Points are set to delet
    after 136 years ! - Windows Vista
    (http://www.daniweb.com/forums/thread82418.html

    While I don't need it that long, I'd like it save them for around
    months to a year or even whatever the default is supposed to be. I ha
    a problem with a Windows update about a month ago. I think it was
    security update or something. Anyway, I don't know which one or why
    but it borked my system and I couldn't even boot, not even in Safe Mode
    So I put the Vista x64 DVD in and went to use System Restore and
    didn't have any restore points. I had no other choice than to reinstal
    Windows. I just want to know why it's doing this and how I can stop i
    before I have to use System Restore again and I have to reinstall again

    Thanks in advance
     
    Bowen, Sep 12, 2007
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  2. Bowen

    brink Guest


    Hi Bowen,

    When you are in System Restore, make sure you check *Show Restore
    points older than 5 days *to see your older restore points.

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/76905-system-restore-how.html


    By default System Restore allocates 15% of your hard drive for restore
    points. This tutorial will show you how you can see how much space is
    being used and change it to your needs.

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/76227-system-restore-disk-space.html

    Shawn


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    brink, Sep 12, 2007
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  3. Bowen

    Michael Guest

    Bowen,

    There should be a check box in lower left of list box of available restore
    points for "show restore points older than 5 days" .
    If I select that box I have restore points back to 8/29. Is the check box
    missing or just ineffective on your setup?

    Michael
     
    Michael, Sep 12, 2007
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  4. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    Thanks Shawn and Michael, the 5 days is actually with the box checked.
    So, I looked at the tutorial link that you posted and here's how muc
    space it says

    Used Shadow Copy Storage space: 21.939G
    Allocated Shadow Copy Storage space: 24.063G
    Maximum Shadow Copy Storage space: 69.864G

    I've got 2 HD's one is 250GB and the other is 500GB, but I'm only usin
    System Restore on my C: drive and it has 397GB free so I know I hav
    enough room. By looking at the space that System Restore is using tha
    I posted above, is this why it's deleting them or should is ther
    another reason that doesn't present itself here. I'm just not sure ho
    much room is required to keep older points. Thanks
     
    Bowen, Sep 12, 2007
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  5. Bowen

    brink Guest

    Bowen,

    It looks like you have enough space allocated.

    Do you have a 3rd party program that may be deleting them? See:

    'Missing Restore Points/Shadow Copies in Windows Vista:'
    (http://bertk.mvps.org/html/missingrpv.html)

    Shawn


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    brink, Sep 12, 2007
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  6. Others have already told you about the "Show Restore points older than
    5 days" setting. I wanted to add one comment: reverting to a restore
    point more than a week or two old is likely to cause other problems,
    getting other files out of synch with the registry. For that reason,
    there's no real value to having restore anywhere near as old as six
    months to a year.
     
    Ken Blake, MVP, Sep 13, 2007
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  7. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    The only 3rd party app I have that I've run since actually looking a
    System Restore is Perfect Disk which is a disk defragger that you'r
    probably familiar with. Before I was thinking if a 3rd party app wa
    interfering in some way, but I couldn't think of what it might be sav
    Perfect Disk or a few Registry cleaners that I use. Speaking of which
    I use: TuneUp Utilities 2007's reg cleaner and the the free reg cleane
    called Wise Registry Cleaner and finally TweakNow's Powerpack 2006's re
    cleaner

    I don't think it's the reg cleaners because I remember previously tha
    I looked at System Restore prior to running the reg cleaners and m
    restore points were still there after I ran them and even afte
    rebooting. I didn't look before or after I ran Perfect Disk though, s
    maybe that's the culprit. The thing is, I was using Diskeeper 11 and
    had the same problems, so either Diskeeper and Perfect Disk are erasin
    restore points or it's another problem
     
    Bowen, Sep 13, 2007
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  8. Bowen

    brink Guest

    Bowen,

    I would not think that they would do anything unless they had a feature
    that cleans junk off the hard drive.

    For a test, you might bump up the size to 150 GB to see if it will hold
    more. If not, you can bump it back down.

    Shawn


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    brink, Sep 13, 2007
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  9. Bowen

    Bert Kinney Guest

    Hi Shawn,

    Yes, Perfect Disk may be responsible for missing restore points particularly
    if it is run before Vista loads.

    Regards,
    Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
    http://bertk.mvps.org
    Member: http://dts-l.org
     
    Bert Kinney, Sep 13, 2007
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  10. Bowen

    brink Guest

    Bert

    Thank you for the information. I will remember that one.

    Shaw

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  11. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    Thanks, how do I raise the size? Like I said I'll try the Diskeepin
    thing. I'll try it tonight sometime and see what happens. BTW, it'
    got 7 restore points right now. I bet it's Perfect Disk. I'll test i
    tonight and see if it's the culprit or not
     
    Bowen, Sep 14, 2007
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  12. Bowen

    brink Guest

    Bowen

    The second step will show you how in this tutorial. I hope it work
    out with the test

    http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/76227-system-restore-disk-space.htm

    Shaw

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    brink, Sep 14, 2007
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  13. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    OK, well I finally got around to using Perfect Disk and I've confirme
    that it's the culprit. Diskeeper was doing the same thing too. Prio
    to running Perfect Disk, I had 9 Restore Points saved. Then I ran P
    and it wanted to do a boot time defrag and I agreed and after i
    finished, all my restore points were gone.

    This is OK since my system is running flawlessly right now, but what
    want to know is how can I program PD to stay away from the Restor
    Points

    Thanks for all your help. At least I know the cause, so the problem i
    50% solved IMO. I know I could simply uninstall PD, but that's not
    real fix since Diskeeper does this too. There's got to be a way to wor
    around this
     
    Bowen, Sep 17, 2007
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  14. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    Bowen, Sep 17, 2007
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  15. Bowen

    Bert Kinney Guest

    Hi,

    I had the same experience with PerfectDisk and Vista. Restore points should
    not be deleted unless PerfectDisk is run at boot up. Running PerfectDisk
    from within Vista should be save.

    Regards,
    Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
    http://bertk.mvps.org
    Member: http://dts-l.org
     
    Bert Kinney, Sep 18, 2007
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  16. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    So as long as you don't run a boot time defrag, it shouldn't delete
    restore points then? I'll have to try that out because I really like
    Perfect Disk. I have Diskeeper too and I like it better (PerfectDisk)
    than Diskeeper because...well it's faster.
     
    Bowen, Sep 18, 2007
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  17. Bowen

    Bert Kinney Guest

    That's correct. Give it try and let us know the results.

    Regards,
    Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
    http://bertk.mvps.org
    Member: http://dts-l.org
     
    Bert Kinney, Sep 19, 2007
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  18. Bowen

    Bowen Guest

    Well, you were correct Bert, it didn't delete any restore points withi
    Windows. However, it took an hour and sixteen minutes to complete an
    PD said I didn't even need to defrag. The thing about doing a boot tim
    defrag is that it only takes......well it only took 5 minutes the las
    time I did it, but of course it wipes out the restore points

    I think what I'm gonna do is go ahead and do boot time defrags and the
    immediately make a manual restore point afterwards. I imagine the boo
    time defrag only defrags certain files, where the Windows defrag doe
    the entire hard drive. At least now I know though

    Do you happen to know a workaround for doing a boot time defrag whil
    saving your restore points? This would be a little annoying and out o
    the way, but couldn't you say, burn your restore points (at least som
    of them) to a DVD-RW and then do a boot time defrag and then just cop
    them back afterwards. Would that work per chance
     
    Bowen, Sep 21, 2007
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  19. Bowen

    Bert Kinney Guest

    And make sure the system is running correctly before hand. And remember all
    Shadow Copy's will be effected including Previous Versions.
    You may want to check with Raxco Support on this.
    I don't know of any workaround to this.
    No, this will not work. :(

    Regards,
    Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
    http://bertk.mvps.org
    Member: http://dts-l.org
     
    Bert Kinney, Sep 24, 2007
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