I couldn't get WMP 9.0 + whatever the latest downloads were, to play perfectly legal original CD's that run everywhere else. They even run fine using the CD player in acccessories on the same machine, without rebooting or anything. Or at least they used to. In disgust I delated the media player and deleted the media player in the trash bin. It wasn't until I rebooted and saw the NTLDR not found message that I vaguely recalled something about "you can't uninstall blah blah blah" I'll give my Norton Restore disks a shot. The was no warning. I have faithfully downloaded every patch immediately, I have updated Norton daily. I can do no more, except go swimming with the flightless denizens of the South Pole. This was the last straw, this message is being sent from a friend's machine. Should MS realize what they've done and wish to make amends, I can be reached at [email][/email] or area code 530, phone 277 followed by 3456. Otherwise it's one more iron fastener in the wooden container of Microsoft's remains. regards, Doug Keachie