The Windows Genuine Advantage Notification

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by Pike, Jul 4, 2006.

  1. Pike

    Pike Guest

    Hi,

    Does anyone know why each time I check for updates the site wants me to
    install this tool. Must you have a new one each time?

    Thanks
     
    Pike, Jul 4, 2006
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  2. Depending on how often you have checked - there may have been a new one each
    time.
     
    Shenan Stanley, Jul 4, 2006
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  3. What do you mean a new one each time? How many times do we have to prove our
    Windows is genuine? Isn't that what I did when I 1st installed XP and had to
    authorize it online?

    I've had to download the update at least 3 times, that is a 1 mb download
    over dialup, followed by a required reboot. And I've tried to download the
    update faster at work, but search never finds it.

    Seems to me like an excellent reason to turn off automatic updates.
     
    Robert Tonsing, Jul 4, 2006
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  4. The WGA Notification Tool, like all parts of Windows, is subject to
    occasional bug-fixes, updates and improvements. Each update means that
    update 905474 is re-issued for download via Windows Update.
    Downloading and installing an update to the WGA Tool is not in itself
    anything to do with validating Windows. The download and install is not an
    act of validation. With the latest version of WGA, Windows will be
    validated about once every 90 days, and/or when you perform a manual
    download of certain enhancements and updates from Microsoft.
    That was Product Activation, which just checked that the Product Key was a
    valid combination of digits, at that time. Since then, various product keys
    have escaped into the wild and been installed on multiple PCs, and
    "key-generators" have been made which issue Product Keys which look valid to
    Product Activation but are in fact illegitimate, which WGA now detects.
    Even your own installation of Windows (with your personal valid Product Key)
    could have been cloned behind your back by a dishonest repair workshop into
    other people's PCs. So what was valid for you then, might no longer be
    valid now in respect of those cloned copies. This is one reason why WGA
    periodically re-checks the authenticity of installations.
    There is no manual download for the WGA Notification Tool: it is only
    available by Windows Update.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jul 4, 2006
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    Kirrin Jones Guest

    Kirrin Jones, Jul 4, 2006
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  6. If you don't want to be bothered with the upgrades to KB905474, set
    Automatic Updates not to install automatically. There are four positions:
    [ Off ] - [ Notify me ] - [ Download but don't Install ] - [ Download and Install ]

    You can also use the Custom button at Windows Update - deselect the
    update and put a mark in the "Don't show me this update again" box.
    It will then say that you've hidden Important updates - if you don't want it,
    then refrain from following the notice's plea to unhide it.
     
    Michael Jennings, Jul 4, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    So if someone got my Product Key through a key-generator or some other
    means, MS would make me go jump through hoops to "genuinize" my copy of
    XP? The more I learn about WGA, the less I like it.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jul 4, 2006
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  8. Shenan Stanley, Jul 4, 2006
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  9. Microsoft Provides Additional Clarity About Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications
    http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/jun06/06-08wgaqa.mspx

    Windows Genuine Advantage Bolsters Frontline in Anti-Piracy Fight
    Update to the WGA Notifications program introduces changes based on customer feedback.
    http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/jun06/06-27WGA.mspx

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    Microsoft MVP
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    :

    | Hi,
    |
    | Does anyone know why each time I check for updates the site wants me to
    | install this tool. Must you have a new one each time?
    |
    | Thanks
     
    Carey Frisch [MVP], Jul 4, 2006
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  10. Yes, sorry, that's right for this current version. It might be different
    for the next version, who knows? What I meant was that Microsoft do not
    offer a download link from the KB page or from Windows Update Catalog, like
    they do for other updates.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jul 4, 2006
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  11. Your use of the cloned key will already look genuine, because your original
    Product Activation associated your Product Key with a hash code of things
    like BIOS checksum, hard disk serial number, and so on (you know the list by
    now). But others who cloned your key would be unable to match the hash code
    with their hardware, and WGA would detect their use of the key as suspect.

    But, given a copy of Windows that WGA finds itself in, it cannot tell a
    prioi whether it is in a legitimate copy or a genuine one, until WGA has
    checked the resident Product Key with the hash of the hardware codes, and so
    on.
     
    Robin Walker [MVP], Jul 4, 2006
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  12. Pike

    Pike Guest

    Thanks to everyone for your replies and the links.

    Pike
     
    Pike, Jul 4, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    Translation: MS expects its paying customers to work for them for free
    to catch pirates instead of calling the legal authorities to do the job.

    MS assumes their paying customers are using illegal software.

    This is the worst PR fiasco MS has ever dreamed up.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jul 4, 2006
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    Alias Guest

    This assumes that WGA will function properly and flawlessly. MS doesn't
    exactly have a brilliant reputation for creating flawless software that
    always works properly.

    If you think someone is stealing from you, call the authorities. Forcing
    your paying customers to do it for you is ridiculous.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jul 4, 2006
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    GHalleck Guest

    Interesting but is this to your knowledge or an assumption?
    IOW, if Mircorosft can check the resident Product Key with
    the hash of the hardware codes, presumably a whole assembly
    of them, then Microsoft has knowingly been spying all the time
    with PA. It should not matter whether the PK agrees with the
    hash of the hardware codes in the computer in which it resides
    because it would always appear the same and it should be unique
    to just that particular system if the S/N's of the hardware were
    being assessed properly. But only an outsider will know whether
    the PK and the system's hardware hash is true.

    Alias, want to jump in?
     
    GHalleck, Jul 4, 2006
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    SpaceEagle Guest

    Alias;

    It is actually worse than you can imagine. From what I have been reading MS
    is moving toward using this as a way to activate a 'kill switch'. Which means
    if WGAN does not like what it sees, has a bad day, or some other reason deems
    your copy of windows to be 'illegal' it will cease to function. Never mind
    that you bought a sealed box leagally, activated as required & been using for
    weeks, months or years it will not longer operate. Try geting them to
    understand this & correct it, highly unlikely.
    As of now updates can be obtained w/o using WGAN but that is to change in
    the future it seems. Uncle Bill & his band of Merry Men are going to make
    updating only possible by using it. Once again corporate greed, mistrust and
    domination come to the fore. And you are right they are more interested in
    punishing the honest legal users than actually go after the crooks.
     
    SpaceEagle, Jul 4, 2006
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  17. It would probably be more correct to say "MS assumes that pirates and
    thieves are using illegal software", and is trying to find out whether
    you (and I) are one of those.

    BTW, are you one?

    I'm not, but this thing bothers me partly because MS can make mistakes
    (as they did to me a year ago).
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Jul 4, 2006
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  18. You ignore the fact that this is a tool to find the crooks...

    Of course, I am making the assumption that it will always work
    correctly :)

    Any bookies out there?
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Jul 4, 2006
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  19. Pike

    SpaceEagle Guest

    :
    Advantage Bolsters Frontline in Anti-Piracy Fight
    No, chap, not one a dem blokes. Just no hankerin' for Big Brother & he knows
    best.
     
    SpaceEagle, Jul 5, 2006
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  20. Pike

    Alias Guest

    Then get a effin warrant and come take a look. If MS thinks someone is
    stealing from them, why do I have to participate? I'm not an employee of
    MS and I am not the cops.
    Of course not.
    It should bother you that they are installing this thing six times
    already and it is still flagging legit copies of XP as pirated.

    Utter fiasco.

    Alias
     
    Alias, Jul 5, 2006
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