Thee clean re-instals and still one major problem ... need some 'expert' advice please

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by Jimmy Brush, Jun 28, 2006.

  1. Jimmy Brush

    Jimmy Brush Guest

    NTFS does not mess with FAT32 and vice versa.

    They are seperated cleanly at a very, very low level in Windows.

    - JB
    Jimmy Brush, Jun 28, 2006
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  2. Jimmy Brush

    Clark Guest

    Why don't you tell how your drives are configured? IDE, or SATA which one
    is master or are you using cable select with the 80 pin cable, etc.

    Clark, Jun 28, 2006
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  3. Jimmy Brush

    Jimmy Brush Guest

    If windows vista notices something wrong with your hard disks or if it is
    having trouble writing data, it will log it in the event log.

    Start -> Control Panel -> System and Maintenance -> Administrative Tools ->
    Event Viewer

    Expand Windows Logs, then System, and look for the source to be NTFS or
    something related to hard disks, and see if you have any errors.

    I can only speculate as to the problem at this point; could be a hardware
    error, a bug in the device driver that controls your hard disk, or hardware
    malfunction are my guesses.

    - JB
    Jimmy Brush, Jun 28, 2006
  4. Jimmy Brush

    Kerry Brown Guest

    Apparently in all your troubles your clock somehow got set to the wrong
    Kerry Brown, Jun 28, 2006
  5. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Nothing on Event Logs for this installation so far despite the fact that I
    have had the error reported a couple of times, but on previous instals NTFS
    was reporting some File/Index recovery/repair but only a fraction of those
    when running chkdsk.

    I suspect a hardware problem (possibly with the Motherboard controller) but
    I have now checked all possibilities on the drives themselves and the
    connections. I will see what the event log says the next time it happens as
    no doubt it will.

    Thanks for your suggestions

    GeoffP, Jun 28, 2006
  6. Jimmy Brush

    Recycle Ben Guest

    Apparently in all your troubles your clock somehow got set to the wrong
    I don't think it's that. I think it's the old 'I'm better than everyone else
    and I want to stay at the top of the list until my question is answered.'
    They set their clocks ahead purposely. It happens too often. I wish no one
    would answer them.
    Recycle Ben, Jun 28, 2006
  7. Jimmy Brush

    Kerry Brown Guest

    See the thread on sarcasm. I know why the clock was set wrong :)
    Kerry Brown, Jun 28, 2006
  8. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Sorry, hate to spoil your day, but you are very wrong there, until Kerry
    brought the matter up (Thank you Kerry) I wasn't even aware of the change of
    date (see my other posts in this and other groups - made on the correct
    date). Looking at the Vista event viewer for reasons elsewhere in this
    thread, the date was changed during the latest installation of Vista late
    yesterday. Before you start flaming, I suggest you make sure of your facts!

    GeoffP, Jun 28, 2006
  9. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Shortly after reading through these groups I had just started installing
    Office Beta, when as predicted, the 'Corrupt Disk' Message appeared. Kicked
    me out of the installation, wouldn't let me into Windows Mail, nor Admin
    Settings to check the event log.

    Ran CHKDSK from XP Disk Manager with 60 index entries being deleted and the
    recovery of three orphaned files. Went back to Vista and event viewer
    reports 105 NTFS error messages (Event ID: 55) in the space of 90 minutes.
    No hardware errors were reported and nothing else that looked to be related.

    Cannot find anything on Event ID:55 on MS Site so not sure where to go from


    PS: Apologies to anyone who thought I was trying to 'queue jump' with the
    wrong system date, it was not intentional and appeared to have happened
    during the course of the latest installation of Vista last night.
    GeoffP, Jun 28, 2006
  10. Jimmy Brush

    Jimmy Brush Guest

    Here's info on that error:

    Basically it says that internal file system structures are out of whack.
    This is very bad.

    The most likely causes for this would be hardware malfunction or a bug in a
    device driver (most likely the hard drive device driver, but possibly in
    ntfs itself).

    Since you don't have this problem on Windows XP, and you have had this
    problem on Vista in 3 different partitions, I find it hard to believe it is
    a hardware problem. However, here are some comments I've seen from people on
    the internet:

    1) try moving your pagefile to another hard drive / partition
    2) test your RAM to make sure it is OK
    3) Make sure your computer is not overheating

    You should file a bug report using the feedback reporting tool (you can
    download that from the feedback icon on your desktop).

    Using that tool will send your event logs to Microsoft so perhaps they can
    figure out what's going on.

    - JB
    Jimmy Brush, Jun 28, 2006
  11. Jimmy Brush

    Clark Guest

    I am certainly not an expert here, but I would probably try removing the
    other controller and try running the system without it for a while. If the
    errors stop, then you know what might be upsetting the system. If you don't
    want to remove it, maybe moving it to another PCI slot.

    Clark, Jun 28, 2006
  12. Jimmy Brush

    Jon Abbott Guest

    You aren't the only one. I've seen corruption on the odd occasion as well, in
    fact I posted a few weeks ago that a critical system file was corrupt. On that
    occasion, checking the disk in XP resulted in quite a few corrupt files and
    tables being reported.

    Jon Abbott, Jun 28, 2006
  13. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Done the first two and am trying to find a Motherboard Monitor that will
    work with Vista to check temps. I've just recovered from another Corrupt
    Disk 'bashing' (second in 5 hours) with a CHKDSK report of nearly three A4
    pages and an Event Log of over 150 errors (and thats after checking the
    memory and moving pagefile.sys to its own partition). So the system
    temperature (this is a possibility as my system has always run warmer than I
    would like, but nowhere near the limits) is all that I can think apart from
    a problem with NTFS or of course (says he belatedly), a bad ISO image of the
    Vista Beta 2 setup DVD. I can't see that though with everything working so

    Have posted a 'bug' report to MS (with all the damning evidence), but won't
    hold my breath for a response.

    GeoffP, Jun 29, 2006
  14. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Sorry, but must have missed your post, I won't say that I'm pleased that
    someone else is suffering but it is nice to know that I'm not on my own. My
    major concern is this isn't an occasional thing, I've had two 'bashing' in
    the past five hours, the latest produced a 3 page CHKDSK report. I want to
    use and test this thing out but with the risk of loss of software and driver
    files (in particular my anti-virus and WinMail files, which appear to suffer
    the most), I just can't risk doing much other than a quick look at these

    GeoffP, Jun 29, 2006
  15. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Did that for Instal No 2 (took it out completely), but made no difference.
    There was someone on the hardware group, who has the same card (and driver
    version) and to date he hasn't reported any problems. So still looking for

    GeoffP, Jun 29, 2006
  16. Is the BIOS up to date?

    Colin Barnhorst, Jun 29, 2006
  17. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Hadn't thought about that one, but on checking yes it is. But do wonder
    about the VIA chipset drivers supplied by Microsoft as there does seem to be
    a few problems with the nVidia nForce & Intel chipsets, but nothing that I
    have seen relating to VIA

    GeoffP, Jun 29, 2006
  18. Jimmy Brush

    Kerry Brown Guest

    I hate to say it but I thought the same thing. Some people do change their
    date so their posts stay at the top of the list if you sort by date. It's a
    pain in the a%&.
    Kerry Brown, Jun 29, 2006
  19. Jimmy Brush

    GeoffP Guest

    Yup, I've been around Usenet for longer than I can care to remember
    (including setting up a uk. newgroup) and know most of the tricks used but
    that wasn't intended to be one of them. I still can't figure out how it
    managed to get changed during the install as it definitely wasn't at the
    setting date and time stage. Hopefully no harm done apart from a short
    'flame' and I've experienced a lot worse for a lot less,


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  20. Jimmy Brush

    Jimmy Brush Guest

    I still can't figure out how it managed to get changed during the install
    Actually ... it probably was.

    There's a bug in Vista where when you select your timezone during install,
    it changes your time.

    - JB
    Jimmy Brush, Jun 29, 2006
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