This is about making vista better for everyone!!!

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Performance' started by ryan101, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. ryan101

    ryan101 Guest

    Hi i am writing after i have just installed the new service pack 2 for
    windows vista and am just trying to suggest that with the disk defragmenter,
    as there isnt a lot that has been changed like the only things that have been
    changed are that you can now select volums to defrag. one thing that may help
    with this is to put a small graph (or GUI) similar to the windows xp one on
    it and maybe a timer if possible so that people know how long it is going to
    roughly be until it finishes, and a report message say as again in the
    previous version telling what amount of fragmentation there is and what files
    are fragmented. also another thing that i have noticed with vista is that it
    takes up a lot of memory and if possible would there be any chance of trying
    to make sure that vista uses less memory so that it can be more responsive.
    These sugestions are from over the internet that people would like to see
    happen as it would aid me and other people.

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    ryan101, Jun 18, 2008
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    Gordon Guest

    There ISN'T a "service pack 2" - SP1 has only just been released!
     
    Gordon, Jun 18, 2008
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  3. Apparently the defragmenter GUI was removed because people didn't want to
    see it. However, now that its gone many people want it back.

    An alternative defragmenting application is Auslogic Disk Defrag which is
    free. you might like to try that. http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag

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    John Barnett MVP, Jun 18, 2008
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  4. What people wanted it removed? I've never seen anyone say they wanted it
    removed. This was purely a Microsoft decision to dumb it down for the
    masses and not something anyone asked for. All they had to do was to make
    the GUI optional to make everyone happy.
     
    The Coward Robert Ford, Jun 18, 2008
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  5. When Microsoft remove something it is generally because a 'polled' selection
    of users have offered their opinion. This is no different to the procedure
    for 'any' opinion poll, whether it be about the Government of the day or
    whether Kids should be given more pocket money.

    In this instance the 'polled' selection, obviously, didn't find the GUI
    useful. Personally, I don't; who wants to watch strips of colour move from
    one end of a graph to another for the best part of an hour or more, I
    certainly don't, but then I wasn't asked about the GUI either.


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  6. ryan101

    Mick Murphy Guest

    John, some of us actually turn our computers OFF.
    That is why people want to see where it is up to during Defrag!
    NOT to look at the pretty lines!
    There was a practical reason to have it!!
     
    Mick Murphy, Jun 18, 2008
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  7. one thing that may help
    No, and no again. This has been done to death already, and I believe MS
    have got this one right. They point out that it simply isn't possible to
    give an accurate or meaningful GUI, because there aren't enough pixels on
    the display. Nor is a "pretty" or "pleasing" end picture - with all the
    blue bars crammed up to one end - a good indication of whether the disk is
    actually optimised for speed and future resistance to fragmentation.

    Also, you should never need to run it manually anyway. It runs
    automatically every week, and all the INFORMED opinion (as opposed to the
    ill-informed prejudices of our resident trolls) is that you can, and should,
    just leave it to its own devices.

    In other words, FORGET about fragmentation. Let the built-in defragger do
    its job - which it will.

    SteveT
     
    Steve Thackery, Jun 18, 2008
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  8. John, some of us actually turn our computers OFF.

    Defragging starts up automatically when you turn it on again. You really
    don't need to monitor it at all - it looks after itself just fine.

    SteveT
     
    Steve Thackery, Jun 18, 2008
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  9. Well, they should stop polling Joe Average and ask people who use computers
    all day every day for their opion first. Geeks like watching the HDD
    defragment, gets their blood flowing.
     
    The Coward Robert Ford, Jun 19, 2008
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  10. The 3rd party defragges are pretty accurate about how far in the defrag
    job it is. If it says 80% finished they are about right. Give us both and
    then you won't get threads like this. Don't please one camp and piss off
    another.
     
    The Coward Robert Ford, Jun 19, 2008
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  11. The 3rd party defragges are pretty accurate about how far in the defrag
    But as far as MS is concerned, the user is free to buy a third party
    product! You see? The standard defragger works just fine, so nobody
    actually *needs* to worry about disk fragmentation again. But for those sad
    geeks who actually like watching red and blue blocks creeping around on the
    screen (and are naive enough to think they mean something), then they can
    play about with the products from Paragon, O&O, Diskeeper, et al.

    This is the perfect compromise. Nothing's broken, nothing needs fixing.

    SteveT
     
    Steve Thackery, Jun 19, 2008
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    Nonny Guest

    Or the fine FREE defragger from AusLogics.
     
    Nonny, Jun 19, 2008
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    skunksmash Guest

    personally i find vistas onboard defragger to be far too slow.....yes
    its designed to run in the background but goes on forever & a day.....:)

    i use ''jk defrag'' ..its simle & fast ;)


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    skunksmash, Jun 19, 2008
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  14. its designed to run in the background but goes on forever & a day.....:)

    That's OK - just let it run for as long as it wants. It's invisible, so who
    cares? Meanwhile, you can actually do something useful with your computer
    ;-)

    SteveT
     
    Steve Thackery, Jun 19, 2008
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  15. I don't watch the blocks, I have a friend who does though, I just want to
    know approximately how much time is left in the defrag cycle. And you don't
    need to defrag every week so IMO that task setting is wrong and I have
    changed mine to once per month and if I uninstall/install software then I
    will do a manual defrag. See? We are not all sheep.
     
    The Coward Robert Ford, Jun 22, 2008
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  16. Yea, yea, I* kno0w about Auslogic and Defraggler too. Both are free but
    both use different layout than the Microsoft one. I just want to use the
    one Microsodoft provides and not the other ones. I just want more options
    as to how it is run and the feedback it gives. No feedback at all just
    sucks.
     
    The Coward Robert Ford, Jun 22, 2008
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  17. I've used that one too but when you start it just starts defragging all
    your drives and I saw no option to choose which drive. Defraggler from the
    same peopole who make CCleaner seems to be the best free one to me. You can
    even select which files to defrag and it consolidates free space too. The
    good thing about that is if I install a new game I can have it defrag just
    those newly installed files and don't have to defrag the complete drive to
    do it like you would with jk dfrag, auslogics and Microsft's.
     
    The Coward Robert Ford, Jun 22, 2008
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  18. Because some people don't want shit runnig in the background while they are
    doing useful things on their PC.
     
    The Coward Robert Ford, Jun 22, 2008
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    Gordon Guest


    Oh. You mean like AV programs and the such? What a STUPID reply.
     
    Gordon, Jun 23, 2008
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