This is absurd

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Mark A. Sam, Oct 27, 2006.

  1. My question to you is: Are one you of the MVP clones with preformatted

    From YOUR question asking for a question, the conclusion to my question is:
    progressive realization, Oct 27, 2006
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  2. Mark A. Sam

    Mark A. Sam Guest

    I'm sorry for this post. I didn't want to offend, annoy or anger any of you.
    I just get tired of constantly fighting with software, and this just pushed
    me over the edge. Little quirks take too much of my time, and there are
    many of them.
    Mark A. Sam, Oct 27, 2006
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    Tom Willett Guest

    Why did you find it necessary to post your childish rant to so many
    non-related newsgroups?
    Tom Willett, Oct 27, 2006
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    RHinNC Guest

    No problem. Big of you to make this post.

    At least you took your frustration out on the keyboard instead of taking a
    baseball bat and smashing your PC...... :)
    RHinNC, Oct 27, 2006
  5. Apology accepted
    Edwin vMierlo, Oct 27, 2006
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    Spikey Guest

    none of you employees would have jobs. I.E. 7 is free, but
    Are you labouring under the misconception that this group is staffed by MS

    This is a public group valiantly assisted by knowledgeable MS users who
    give their time and advice free - usually very good advice. freely.
    Spikey, Oct 27, 2006
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    J. Ryan Guest

    I'm sure you are not suggesting that the MVP program doesn't produce those
    that are beholding and loyal to Microsoft.
    Maybe a little insight into the groupie mentality would shed some light.
    J. Ryan, Oct 27, 2006
  8. MVP's are still not employees.



    Richard Urban
    Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
    (For email, remove the obvious from my address)

    Quote from George Ankner:
    If you knew as much as you think you know,
    You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
    Richard Urban, Oct 27, 2006
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    antioch Guest

    And which MVPs would you consider to fall into this 'groupie mentality' and
    be beholding and loyal to MS.
    Shed some light then - if you can???
    antioch, Oct 27, 2006
  10. Mark A. Sam

    antioch Guest

    Hello Mark
    It is always nice to see a poster apologise to the world when they think
    they have gone a bit too far. Whether I think that is neither here nor
    there. Apart from the 'ranting' side of the thread, there was little I
    could see that would offend.
    I am sure that 'Horace' was thinking of you and others, when he wrote:-
    'Anger is a short madness'.

    I have read through this thread of yours, though some may think I might have
    had better things to do, and I would like to thank you for putting to the
    fore what lots of other software users probably feel, rightly or wrongly,
    into words.
    However, crossposting did seem excessive - just the IE7 group would have
    been fine, and I have learned a couple of things.
    I have been able to add a couple of 'trolls' to my kill file'
    I have seen that my knowledge of downloading is better than others.
    I have also seen the dangers of using ones fingers before engaging brains.
    I have discovered that there IS something worse one can do to one's computer
    that is more dangerous than just downloading betaware. And that is
    downloading betaware and not knowing one has done it!
    antioch, Oct 27, 2006
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    Absolute Nonsense of course.

    The MVP award is given AFTER people have helped, not before, thus it is a
    "Thank you" from Microsoft not an incentive.

    Most MVPs have in the past been critical of Microsoft but have voiced that
    criticism in a constructive manner and have then sought to help users who
    have experienced the same problems. I certainly raised many criticisms of OE
    in the early days, things like insecure defaults, an inability to choose
    plain text etc, and all of these things have been addressed. There are other
    annoying things that have not been addressed and almost certainly will not
    be addressed, but that's probably because I find them annoying and others

    You are mistaking experience and skill for "Groupie Mentality" by far the
    vast majority of the MVP's are here because they enjoy helping others with
    their problems and not because of some misguided "Loyalty" to Microsoft.
    Sure, we respond to criticism that is stupid or grossly unfair, but you know
    as well as I do that many users of MS products are not technical people,
    whereas by contrast most users of systems like Solaris and Linus ARE
    technical people, so we seek to help those who most need a "friendly" person
    to talk it over with.

    It would seem that you do have enough knowledge to help others on technical
    matters - if only from your own experience of problem solving, so why not
    give that a try?

    Charlie Tame, Oct 28, 2006
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    Paul Knudsen Guest

    I've never seen this. But, then again, I don't have Automatic Updates
    turned on. Did Gates hold a gun to your head and demand you turn it
    on? No? Then whose fault is it?
    Paul Knudsen, Oct 28, 2006
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    Charlie Tame Guest

    The point is that if an "Update" requires a new EULA it cannot be fully
    automatic else the user would be deprived of the choice... :)
    Charlie Tame, Oct 28, 2006
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    Biggerbyte Guest

    Mark, do yourself a favor and just go download I.E. 7 and install it. Don't
    worry about all the B.S. in here, as you have done nothing wrong. Be sure to
    disable your Antivirus upon install, disable your addons for I.E. 6 that have
    to do with any type of Virus or Spyware checking. One good example would be
    spywareblaster. Now, you want to also be sure and reenable all this stuff
    once you have completed the install.

    You should end up with a healthy install of you do it right. Please remember
    to not expect I.E. 7 to be perfect, however. You will find some things that
    are not quite right, especially on some sights. Be patient and enjoy the
    positive of the software until Microsoft can work the kinks out.

    Good luck...
    Biggerbyte, Oct 28, 2006
  15. I think I remember having the same "issue". I think what happened was the
    install uninstalled IE7 (*and rolled back last IE) first and asks for a
    reboot before continue. When the machine started up, IE7 install had not
    happened yet, only the uninstall step. You run setup again to install IE7
    and it finished - for me without a reboot IIRC. It was a bit strange, but I
    just thought I may have missed a dialog or two with some foggy clicking on
    my part. But the sky did not fall down here and I don't think G gets this
    close to the install process anymore.

    William Stacey [C# MVP]

    |I really, really, really, really, really, really tried hard not to
    | microsoft, becuase I know some of you worship Bill Gates as your God, but
    | what just happened is beyond absurd. The world is in heap big trouble
    | Microsoft at the helm of the software industry.
    William Stacey [C# MVP], Oct 28, 2006
  16. Actually, if you think about it, they may have done us all a big favor. So
    many times a beta product does not uninstall all its hooks correctly and
    even installing the new version does not fix it. It smells like they did a
    very good job of removing the old and getting machine into a known good
    state before the new install. It is just a guess, but I have not had any
    issues since the new install.

    William Stacey [C# MVP]

    | I'm sorry for this post. I didn't want to offend, annoy or anger any of
    | I just get tired of constantly fighting with software, and this just
    | me over the edge. Little quirks take too much of my time, and there are
    | many of them.
    | | >I really, really, really, really, really, really tried hard not to
    | >criticize microsoft, becuase I know some of you worship Bill Gates as
    | >God, but what just happened is beyond absurd. The world is in heap big
    | >trouble with Microsoft at the helm of the software industry.
    | >
    | > A little while ago, I got a notice that an update was ready. I didn't
    | > know why I received it, becuase my system was set to receive Automatic
    | > updates, and the caption on the notification said "Automatic Update".
    | > First what is automatic about an update that asks me? Someone out to
    | > knock Bill Gates on the head and ask, "Is anyone in there?". But that
    | > isn't the problem, just a prelude. I'm really the idiote for saying
    | > to the update. It was an Internet Exporer v7 update, or so it said. I
    | > said yes, then it asked me if I accept the license, and of course I did.
    | > The next thing I saw was that Internet Explorer V7 was being installed
    | > ( I had it installed over a month ago). Then it said it was
    | > a previous version and I thought, Uh Oh!!!!!! And rightfully so. I was
    | > asked to restart my computer and naturally I couldn't ignor that
    | > becuase it kept coming back and bugging me. So I said yes, and nothing
    | > happened. So I tried to restart and it wouldn't. Finally after a
    | > attempts I opened the task manager and dumped a bunch of programs then
    | > was able to restart. After I restated, I opened up IE and went to open
    | > new tab and there weren't any. HUH, I asked myself? No tabs? I like
    | > tabs, what happened? This is what happened, the update uninstalled
    | > version 7 and installed version 6.
    | >
    | > Do I need to say any more? I can't, becuase there is no description
    | > suitable to describe this, except, HUH!!!!!
    | >
    | > I think Microsoft need some updating of personnel, starting with Bill
    | > Gates and continuing until the last programmer is booted. Keep the
    | > cleaning crew and the cafeteria staff.
    | >
    William Stacey [C# MVP], Oct 28, 2006
  17. The question here is whether or not you can install the release version of
    IE7 over a beta of IE7. I suspect that you cannot, and hence some of your
    problems. From your original post, Mark I get the general feeling that you
    did not bother to read the dialog boxes that popped up telling you to exit
    any running programs before installing IE7. Lots of things I'll install
    without doing that, but a new version of IE I consistently install with as
    pristine a runtime as I can.

    I down loaded and installed IE7 x64 over an existing IE6 install and thus
    far (he says knocking on wood) I have had zero problems; if anything it is a
    huge improvement over IE6 x64. Were I you, I'd un-install any instance of
    IE7, get IE 6 happy and then upgrade to IE 7 again ... or just keep IE 6.

    The personal opinion of
    Gary G. Little

    Gary G. Little, Oct 30, 2006
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    Gordon Guest

    yes you can - the final release of IE7 uninstalls any existing beta as part
    of its install process.
    Gordon, Oct 30, 2006
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    Frank Guest

    What is absurd is the obnoxious amount of crossposting that you started.
    Frank, Oct 30, 2006
  20. Did you notice that the groups you posted to (at least most) have NOTHING to
    do with the topic you are raging on about? This makes you a TROLL. I am not
    saying this because I worship Bill Gates as a god, but because in your "I
    was robbed" speech, you stepped over the line as well. Makes it rather hard
    to sit and take you seriously.

    For the record, I think the IE 7 forced upgrade is unwise, perhaps even
    stupid. It sounds like you had a bad upgrade. Download the bits and install
    again. On the one machine that I have seen with a bad update, it worked fine
    after that.

    Next, if you decide to follow up, do this.

    1. Write your rant
    2. Erase it. You will now have calmed down
    3. State your point in an intelligent and calm manner

    If you follow this three step plan (to avoid having to go through a 12 step
    plan :p), you will find that things are much nicer.

    Now, to your issue: Did you notice any other symptoms of armeggedon other
    than no tabs? :)

    Gregory A. Beamer
    MVP; MCP: +I, SE, SD, DBA

    Think outside of the box!
    Cowboy \(Gregory A. Beamer\), Oct 31, 2006
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