To clarify the link for CWShredder Update

Discussion in 'Windows Update' started by LuckyStrike, Feb 25, 2004.

  1. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

    Although it may "appear" suspicious to you, and evidently to others, I would
    still stand firm in my position which is as follows:

    1) Multiple "major" cross-posting for such updates is not unprecedented, in
    fact I've seen it often.
    Reasonably paranoid means nothing and is entirely "subjective".

    2) I take exception to your reference to my Sig. First it's prejudicial;
    second, would it make a difference if it were "Joan", "Jim", "James", or
    "Rebecca of Sunnybrook farm"? You'd be just as foolish and prejudicial to
    click on one of those because they appealed to ones "White Bread Goody
    Two-Shoes" sensibilities.In fact, in my mind that would be a more convincing
    way to perpetrate such a scam. Have you not ever heard of reverse
    psychology?

    I might also add -as I have already in part - who the heck *would* post a
    virus or whatever, with a name "Virus Master", "Hell-Raiser" or whatever,
    and then have a URL that said "Parasites - get them here". That wouldn't be
    a very effective way to ensnare someone if the intention was to spread or
    *broadcast* a virus in my view.

    I have already stated at first light of day -for me- that perhaps I should
    have made clearer the URL and other factors. So, what did I do? Just that,
    with multiple references, step by step, a multiple number of times as well.
    Furthermore, my position was supported (finally) by a number of persons
    ranging from those who can read and recognize, to the very Webmaster of the
    site in question.

    Addressing your "average person" position: What kind of MVP-MCSE, posts back
    what I received as a reply? Is that a remark from the <quote/> *average
    person* <end/>? Sub-Standard MVP in my view. The person obviously spent only
    a microsecond before jumping to a snap decision - which need I remind you -
    was inaccurate and wrong. This person, and obviously yourself as well, did
    not recognize that a good portion of the URL was from Jim Eshelmans highly
    esteemed site, which is *commonly* referred to in numerous newsgroups. And
    as yet, have I received a retraction or an apology? NO! I haven't.

    Lastly, and perhaps most importantly: Do you realize that this is a very
    serious charge to make against a person, when it is a *CRIME* and UNLAWFUL
    to send, spread, and create viruses that are intended to wreak havoc on /
    through the Internet? So I feel I have no need to apologize for my well
    meaning, genuine, accurate, helpful, and NON-VIRAL post and link. I feel I
    am owed an apology by the person who was wrong. It's that simple.

    And I have *no need* to apologize for my Sig either. It's irrelevant, and
    although it has no bearing whatsoever, I have seen far "worse" sigs, which I
    will not even bother to repeat as they are beneath me. The only apology I
    would offer is to Jim Eshelman himself, and for obvious reasons. This I had
    done already, in advance, and was reassured that it was unnecessary.
     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 26, 2004
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  2. LuckyStrike

    Jan Il Guest

    Well..we would not want to learn...would we?? Especially, anything from
    this newsgroup...oh ahmm...forgot...these MANY newsgroups?? What can
    possibly be trusted? Sheesh...what IS the matter with you? ;-))

    Jan :)
     
    Jan Il, Feb 26, 2004
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  3. LuckyStrike

    PCR Guest

    I must exercise my fifth amendment right to utter silence. And another
    thing... silence is golden! Oh, oh! I get it! You are objecting to the
    crossposting. Well, turn it off; that's all!

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR

    | | > Perhaps some day in the distant future you may click one of his
    URLs,
    | > won't you?
    |
    | Well..we would not want to learn...would we?? Especially, anything
    from
    | this newsgroup...oh ahmm...forgot...these MANY newsgroups?? What can
    | possibly be trusted? Sheesh...what IS the matter with you? ;-))
    |
    | Jan :)
    | >
    | > --
    | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > should things get worse after this,
    | > PCR
    | >
    | > "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
    <>
    | > wrote in message | > | May I just point out that to the average person coming into this
    | > group..
    | > | the fact that that post was...
    | > |
    | > | a. majorly cross posted
    | > | b. and with the sig line of Lucky Strike
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | Of which both together to the reasonably paranoid person ... I
    | > wouldn't
    | > | click on those links either.
    | > |
    | > | It looked like a distribution of a virus or bogus code even if it
    was
    | > | not. Unfortunately we have to be careful these days.
    | > |
    | > | LuckyStrike wrote:
    | > |
    | > | > | > | >
    | > | >>LuckyStrike wrote:
    | > | >>
    | > | >>>Jim,
    | > | >>>
    | > | >>>I just want to thank you for your persistent devotion to help
    | > others
    | > | >>>and for the great links that abound in your wonderful site. I
    hope
    | > | >>>the ruckus and uproar I have potentially created will not have
    any
    | > | >>>untoward and negative impact. If it has, I extend my sincerest
    | > | >>>apologies, and hope that in some way I can be forgiven or at
    least
    | > to
    | > | >>>somehow (how?) make up for it.
    | > | >>
    | > | >>You're welcome.
    | > | >>
    | > | >>And: I always approve of getting in trouble for doing
    *something*
    | > rather
    | > | >>than getting in trouble for doing *nothing.* (I believe those
    are
    | > the only
    | > | >>two available choices, and I try to pick the first one as often
    as
    | > | >>possible.) So keep doing wonderful something and enjoy the
    weather
    | > change
    | > | >
    | > | > of
    | > | >
    | > | >>the occasional storm to keep life from getting boring.
    | > | >>
    | > | >>--
    | > | >>Jim Eshelman, MS-MVP Windows http://aumha.org/
    | > | >>AumHa Forums: http://forum.aumha.org/
    | > | >>Fighting Parasites: http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
    | > | >>Computer Health: http://aumha.org/a/health.htm
    | > | >>Troubleshooting: http://aumha.org/a/tshoot.htm
    | > | >>
    | > | >
    | > | > --------------------------
    | > | > Jim - I posted my thanks for your understanding just moments
    ago.
    | > | >
    | > | > Best and *highest* regards,
    | > | > LuckyStrike
    | > | > -------------------------------
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > | --
    | > | http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
     
    PCR, Feb 26, 2004
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  4. LuckyStrike

    Jim Eshelman Guest

    Lucky - I didn't want to jump back in with quick remarks given how much
    cross-posting this has - but felt I should on this. (I'll make it quick.)

    (1) I hear that you were personally insulted by Susan's remarks, and I sure
    can't argue with your feelings on that. If it feels like a slap, it must
    have been a slap.
    (2) I trust you know by now that I sincerely appreciate all of your kind
    comments directed to me and to my site, and am happy the links are being
    rolled out into service - to help folks.
    (3) I needed to step back in to say that Susan Bradley is not a
    "sub-standard MVP" and, in fact, is a pretty cool person. Feathers are
    getting ruffled here between two people that ultimately have very similar
    motivations about helping folks.

    FWIW.
     
    Jim Eshelman, Feb 26, 2004
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  5. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

    Good morning Jim,

    I take very well what you've just said, and it's been expressed with a
    simple elegance.

    I did start to get off into a "rant" of sorts and it might have been a tad
    too harsh for Susan's reply to me. However in fact, I was directing that
    "sub-standard" remark to Svyatoslav Pidgorney and not Susan; no doubt a
    misunderstanding perhaps due to my wording, or sentence construct. I have
    read many of Susan's posts in the past and have generally held her in high
    esteem.

    So, to you I again express gratitude for your understanding, and above all
    for your willingness to go a step further in the aid of people and their PC
    woes.

    To Susan I express my apologies if I appeared to, or in fact did "attack"
    her. It wasn't really my intention to do so. My intention was to make clear
    the rationale for my decision and actions, and lastly to add a note
    regarding my "Sig".

    BTW, It was worth a lot Jim. ;-)

    Best of regards,
     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 26, 2004
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  6. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

    Hi Susan,

    Well then, I believe that this has been resolved to a level of mutual
    satisfaction for the two of us. I appreciate your further response and the
    tenor of it, and therefore wish to say I recognize what you are saying, and
    why your position is what it is.

    I am pleased that your "skin is not so thin" as mine might appear to be, but
    I still I wish to apologize to you "personally" in this post (since we are
    here) if my reply was a bit too strong and harsh. I was just a little
    high-strung by the whole course of events.

    Still, I am *waiting* for a reply of *apology from my accuser*, and will not
    be satisfied until such retraction and public apology is made. Easy to slam,
    not so easy to eat some humble pie. I know; I have had to use some pretty
    large spoons on far too many occasions, but such is my responsibility and
    manners if I've been in the wrong.

    OK...'nuff said about that. <s>

    Maybe, I'll learn a bit, but do you know what? I clicked on your link. My PC
    blew up! Hehehe, just kidding. But I still have a modicum of (fast fading)
    faith in the overall goodness of (a selected few) some of humanity. So I did
    click it, and am not at all surprised at the direction expressed by it's
    author. I too do not believe (generally speaking) that things are going for
    the better. Sometimes a glimmer of hope...and then sometimes pure unbridled
    cynicism. Oh, the duality! (in the hope that I made sense in this last
    paragraph.)

    See you around then Susan? I hope so.

    Best Regards,
    --
    LuckyStrike

    --------------------------------------------------------------------

     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 26, 2004
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  7. LuckyStrike

    PCR Guest

    I now pronounce you, man & wife!

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR

    "LuckyStrike" <>
    wrote in message | Hi Susan,
    |
    | Well then, I believe that this has been resolved to a level of mutual
    | satisfaction for the two of us. I appreciate your further response and
    the
    | tenor of it, and therefore wish to say I recognize what you are
    saying, and
    | why your position is what it is.
    |
    | I am pleased that your "skin is not so thin" as mine might appear to
    be, but
    | I still I wish to apologize to you "personally" in this post (since we
    are
    | here) if my reply was a bit too strong and harsh. I was just a little
    | high-strung by the whole course of events.
    |
    | Still, I am *waiting* for a reply of *apology from my accuser*, and
    will not
    | be satisfied until such retraction and public apology is made. Easy to
    slam,
    | not so easy to eat some humble pie. I know; I have had to use some
    pretty
    | large spoons on far too many occasions, but such is my responsibility
    and
    | manners if I've been in the wrong.
    |
    | OK...'nuff said about that. <s>
    |
    | Maybe, I'll learn a bit, but do you know what? I clicked on your link.
    My PC
    | blew up! Hehehe, just kidding. But I still have a modicum of (fast
    fading)
    | faith in the overall goodness of (a selected few) some of humanity. So
    I did
    | click it, and am not at all surprised at the direction expressed by
    it's
    | author. I too do not believe (generally speaking) that things are
    going for
    | the better. Sometimes a glimmer of hope...and then sometimes pure
    unbridled
    | cynicism. Oh, the duality! (in the hope that I made sense in this
    last
    | paragraph.)
    |
    | See you around then Susan? I hope so.
    |
    | Best Regards,
    | --
    | LuckyStrike
    |
    | --------------------------------------------------------------------
    |
    | "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
    <>
    | wrote in message | > No offense take, I was just trying to point out that these days we
    have
    | > to be very careful. I just know Slav ...and now I know you through
    Jim,
    | > and through seeing what you do and also via Jim's remarks. Both you
    and
    | > Slav both have good intentions and are truly working on the same
    side.
    | >
    | > And if I have a personal paranoid level that just automatically pops
    up
    | > to a higher defcon level when someone doesn't use their real name
    and
    | > uses a "Sig" AND cross posts ... I'm just a paranoid person and even
    as
    | > a result knowing Jim's site... I'd manually type in that link rather
    | > than clicking on a hyperlink in a posted newsgroup posting these
    days.
    | > [Don't take any offense on that either... it's just the way I am
    :) I
    | > hang around too many security listserves with hushmail accounts used
    as
    | > posting addresses, so I just naturally get paranoid when seeing a
    "sig".
    | > Sad but true these days, the script kiddies are making me question
    and
    | > be a lot more paranoid than I used to be.
    | >
    | > So understand if those of us who are paranoid like me just react a
    bit
    | > and just remind people that to be careful out here and truly ...even
    | > with the official MS stuff.... always manually type in that web
    address
    | > and know where you are going. I do indeed know Jim's site. But I
    still
    | > wouldn't click on that hyperlink in your email [but don't take it
    | > personally :)
    | >
    | > "And above all else, don't abuse or take for granted sources of help
    and
    | > information. Without them, you might find yourself lost or
    | > inconvenienced."
    | >
    | > http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt
    | >
    | >
    | > LuckyStrike wrote:
    | > > Good morning Jim,
    | > >
    | > > I take very well what you've just said, and it's been expressed
    with a
    | > > simple elegance.
    | > >
    | > > I did start to get off into a "rant" of sorts and it might have
    been a
    | tad
    | > > too harsh for Susan's reply to me. However in fact, I was
    directing that
    | > > "sub-standard" remark to Svyatoslav Pidgorney and not Susan; no
    doubt a
    | > > misunderstanding perhaps due to my wording, or sentence construct.
    I
    | have
    | > > read many of Susan's posts in the past and have generally held her
    in
    | high
    | > > esteem.
    | > >
    | > > So, to you I again express gratitude for your understanding, and
    above
    | all
    | > > for your willingness to go a step further in the aid of people and
    their
    | PC
    | > > woes.
    | > >
    | > > To Susan I express my apologies if I appeared to, or in fact did
    | "attack"
    | > > her. It wasn't really my intention to do so. My intention was to
    make
    | clear
    | > > the rationale for my decision and actions, and lastly to add a
    note
    | > > regarding my "Sig".
    | > >
    | > > BTW, It was worth a lot Jim. ;-)
    | > >
    | > > Best of regards,
    | >
    | > --
    | > http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
    | >
    |
    |
     
    PCR, Feb 26, 2004
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  8. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

    There's a law against having more than one. ;-o See? you can't have *any*
    fun anywhere.

    Only a few small steps from: Everything is permitted except for that which
    is forbidden-->everything is forbidden except that which is
    permitted -->everything which is not forbidden is compulsory.
     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 27, 2004
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  9. LuckyStrike

    Hugh Candlin Guest

    You did notice that they are all micosoft.public newsgroups?
    You are aware that cross-posting is discouraged by many people
    who have absolutely no idea why they are doing so.
    If you have a valid reason, I would be interested in hearing it.
    Then why not simply make a polite inquiry to the said newsgroups,
    and solicit opinions as to the perceived integrity of the said poster.
    As far as I am concerned, his integrity is impeccable.

    You may wonder why I appear to be hostile. I assure you that I am not.
    It just so happens that you are the second MVP who has seen fit
    to take a cheap shot at a regular poster.

    I let the first one slide, taking it for granted that the first "MVP"
    would have the decency to apologize. AFAIK, he has not done so.

    Now your unwarranted attack, under the guise of "being careful".

    I am sorry, but that justification is totally unacceptable.
    We don't deserve that sort of treatment, and we will not accept it.

    Thank you for your understanding.
     
    Hugh Candlin, Feb 27, 2004
    #29
  10. I wasn't attacking Lucky Strike...just pointing out that the fact that
    he/she [and now I] am crossposting is activity that has been used in the
    past to put viruses into newsgroups.

    Yes, I see that they are all MS public newsgroups but so have been all
    the other times in newsgroups when I've seen SWEN dumped into
    newsgroups. As a person who uses a public email address out here still
    to this day and gets SWEN'd to death myself, I've seen viruses dumped
    into groups in exactly this fashion to only the ms.public newsservers.

    I'm just pointing out that the two in combination are of concern. We're
    down to a 30 day retention of postings on the newsgroups servers because
    they couldn't filter out the viruses fast enough. As I stated, "to the
    average person coming into this newsgroup".

    Bottom line.. retype into your own browser web site addresses. Don't
    click on links. It's not safe these days. Internet Explorer has major
    issues and needs work. [and get on sp2 for XP as soon as it comes out]

    I know Jim's site. But, may I point out that it's VERY easy to spoof
    emails in here. Without looking at the header file of Lucky's email to
    ensure it really and truly was him/her, just looking at the sig line is
    NOT enough these days to ensure the integrity of the posting. Sad but true.

    Lucky's posting from an OE with a IP address. See all those
    anonymous@discussions postings? Those come in from a web interface.
    There's a "CDO Interface" in the header file.

    It's truly not an attack... it's just a "be careful" because indeed,
    again to Lucky, don't take it personally but I don't click on links out
    in the public.security newsgroup. Not these days.

    BTW seeing that you post in the 98 group...can you do me a favor?

    Can you make sure your community knows that there is indeed a security
    patch for 04-007 [828028] that is a freely available patch that you just
    need to call and get.

    I personally think it's beyond belief that while Microsoft has "extended
    the life for Win98" they have not provided any mechanism to inform the
    98 community that there are still security patches needed for the platform.

    Here is an email that I shot off to patchmanagment.org's listserve on
    the subject.....

    -----------------------------------------------------------------


    98/ME is an affected platform but as you have pointed out you have no
    documented place other than listserves to back up your information. The
    bulletin quietly reminds us that other platforms MAY be vulnerable... we
    just didn't realize it... "


    The software listed above has been tested to determine if the versions
    are affected. Other versions either no longer include security update
    support or may not be affected. Please review the Microsoft Support
    Lifecycle <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=21742>Web site to
    determine the support lifecycle for your product and version.

    .."

    is what is stated on 04-007. On the "lifecycle page" it states
    Customers can "request security fixes for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second
    Edition, Windows Me, and the most current version of their components
    until June 30, 2006 through normal assisted-support channels."

    For the 98/ME platforms, we will not know via a direct method anymore.
    The only way we will know is by either someone having a TAMS or premier
    contact letting those of us who don't know that there are patches
    available or through our communties like this. The first I heard of
    this was through the Full Disclosure listserve. Then it was posted on
    the diary page at www.incidents.org. Knowing that ME and 98 are close
    relatives, I called and sure enough, found that there were needed
    hotfixes for both OSs.

    I've emailed some people at Microsoft that have publically given their
    names out in the past [like, oh I don't know...but starting off with
    ; ] and kindly reminded them
    that it is their new slogan in security of SD3+C and the C stands for
    communication. While it's excellent that they are working on better
    tools for the future, [see XP sp2 and new reports from the RSA
    conference] but I need "C" now.

    Steve Ballmer says on the Trustworthy computing page "We know it's not
    enough to just do the right things; we have to do them in the right way"
    http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/

    In my emails, I've asked that at a minimum that the information be
    placed in the bulletin. {I'd prefer it via Windows update but I'll take
    what I can get}

    I have been told by a "Premier customer" [they got this info via a paid
    contract and thus it's not NDA] that the reason they got why the info is
    not in the bulletin nor on Windows Update is that on the 98/ME platform
    it is not "wormable". But without these special contacts that I have,
    how would I know this? I don't like it one bit that I as a "little
    person" would not normally have this information without having the
    benefit of some friends who do have the benefit of this. In my SMB
    space, we have no support plans.

    Unless this policy changes, it will be up to these listserves like this
    and related community resources to keep ourselves aware and informed of
    the security issues for these "extended life" platforms. We will have
    to rely on each other to keep ourselves informed.

    Just to keep you up at night consider this......... up to 24% of the
    machines surfing Google last month no longer get notifications of
    Security issues through the channels that they were accustomed to:

    Operating Systems Used to Access Google - January 2004


    http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html

    Pardon me while I go send another batch of "hissy fit" emails off to
    people.
    Susan Bradley



     
    Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP], Feb 27, 2004
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  11. LuckyStrike

    Artwilder Guest

    I was told that the patch 828028 was not regression tested. It was not
    fully tested to Microsoft's standards. I was wondering if it causes problems
    in user's machines that have installed this patch? Any information on this?
    Thanks in advance.

     
    Artwilder, Feb 27, 2004
    #31
  12. LuckyStrike

    Jim Eshelman Guest

    Correct. It's in the "not fiully regression tested, call MS if you really
    need it, don't race to apply it otherwise, besides you very likely don't
    need it" state.

    In fact, the file in question isn't even in Win98 Original at all - unless
    you've installed NetMeeting. It *is* in Win98 SE.

    --
    Jim Eshelman, MS-MVP Windows http://aumha.org/
    AumHa Forums: http://forum.aumha.org/
    Fighting Parasites: http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
    Computer Health: http://aumha.org/a/health.htm
    Troubleshooting: http://aumha.org/a/tshoot.htm
     
    Jim Eshelman, Feb 27, 2004
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  13. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

    <Posted to a lesser number of Newsgroups.>

    Have you ever met Sandi (known as Flamethrower by some) H.? You and she both
    seem to enjoy the....ummm...testing process for the benefit of we who are
    less adventuresome. ;-)
     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 27, 2004
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  14. LuckyStrike

    PCR Guest

    I THINK the marriage laws are undergoing a massive rewrite. Under my
    authority & dominion, you are MARRIED NOW to "Susan Bradley, CPA aka
    Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" and any/all prior husbands she may have.

    Careful, or I will add in Svyatoslav Pidgorny! That is all! Goodbye!

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR

    "LuckyStrike" <>
    wrote in message | There's a law against having more than one. ;-o See? you can't have
    *any*
    | fun anywhere.
    |
    | Only a few small steps from: Everything is permitted except for that
    which
    | is forbidden-->everything is forbidden except that which is
    | permitted -->everything which is not forbidden is compulsory.
    | --
    |
    | LuckyStrike
    |
    | --------------------------------------------------------------------
    | | > I now pronounce you, man & wife!
    | >
    | > --
    | > Thanks or Good Luck,
    | > There may be humor in this post, and,
    | > Naturally, you will not sue,
    | > should things get worse after this,
    | > PCR
    | >
    | > "LuckyStrike" <>
    | > wrote in message | > | Hi Susan,
    | > |
    | > | Well then, I believe that this has been resolved to a level of
    mutual
    | > | satisfaction for the two of us. I appreciate your further response
    and
    | > the
    | > | tenor of it, and therefore wish to say I recognize what you are
    | > saying, and
    | > | why your position is what it is.
    | > |
    | > |<snip>
    | > | See you around then Susan? I hope so.
    | > |
    | > | Best Regards,
    | > | --
    | > | LuckyStrike
    | > |
    | >
    | --------------------------------------------------------------------
    | > |
    | > | "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]"
    | > <>
    | > | wrote in message | > | > No offense take, I was just trying to point out that these days
    we
    | > have
    | > | > to be very careful.
    | > | ><snip>
    | > | > http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/txt/evolution.txt
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | > LuckyStrike wrote:
    | > | > > Good morning Jim,
    | > | > >
    | > | > > I take very well what you've just said, and it's been
    expressed
    | > with a
    | > | > > simple elegance.
    | > | > >
    | > | > > I did start to get off into a "rant" of sorts and it might
    have
    | > been a
    | > | tad
    | > | > > too harsh for Susan's reply to me. However in fact, I was
    | > directing that
    | > | > > "sub-standard" remark to Svyatoslav Pidgorney and not Susan;
    no
    | > doubt a
    | > | > > misunderstanding perhaps due to my wording, or sentence
    construct.
    | > I
    | > | have
    | > | > > read many of Susan's posts in the past and have generally held
    her
    | > in
    | > | high
    | > | > > esteem.
    | > | > >
    | > | > > So, to you I again express gratitude for your understanding,
    and
    | > above
    | > | all
    | > | > > for your willingness to go a step further in the aid of people
    and
    | > their
    | > | PC
    | > | > > woes.
    | > | > >
    | > | > > To Susan I express my apologies if I appeared to, or in fact
    did
    | > | "attack"
    | > | > > her. It wasn't really my intention to do so. My intention was
    to
    | > make
    | > | clear
    | > | > > the rationale for my decision and actions, and lastly to add a
    | > note
    | > | > > regarding my "Sig".
    | > | > >
    | > | > > BTW, It was worth a lot Jim. ;-)
    | > | > >
    | > | > > Best of regards,
    | > | >
    | > | > --
    | > | > http://www.sbslinks.com/really.htm
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
     
    PCR, Feb 27, 2004
    #34
  15. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

    May you never lose your PC or the stomach to perform such altruistic actions
    in the process.

    For the interim, I shall still play it safe and refrain from the install. I
    can get myself into some awful messes sometimes, and right now I'm trying to
    get myself out of another self -inflicted one. <g>

    Yes, I suspected you would know Sandi. ;-D
     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 28, 2004
    #35
  16. LuckyStrike

    S. Pidgorny Guest

    Dear Sir,

    I've changed my mind regarding redirection of your postings to certain
    device.

    I didn't mean to accuse you but apparently I used wording that is terribly
    wrong. I didn't mean to slam you at all, and I didn't have any evidence that
    you're distributing virus, or links to malicious code. The fact that the
    style of your initial announcement reminds me of several recent scams that I
    recieved, doesn't make a good excuse. I'm sorry for confusing you with Jim
    Eshelman, and I admit my total ignorance as I didn't know anything about
    aumha.org site, which is apparently is a great resource with millions happy
    users. Considering that all, I extend my sincere apologies to LuckyStrike
    and those who feel offended by my rather silly comment.

    I am massively cross-posting this message to achieve most visibility of my
    shame.

    Kindest regards,
     
    S. Pidgorny, Feb 28, 2004
    #36
  17. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

    Dear Svyatoslav,

    The apology you offered and expressed most clearly and succinctly is
    welcomed and accepted with an open mind and heart. Not being one to harbor a
    grudge, I am content to let bygones be bygones. I trust that you too will
    let this pass into "history", that we will again meet - this time most
    amicably, and will share the common view to help people, and not hurt them.

    With renewed faith in the kindness and goodness of people.

    Very truly yours,

    LuckyStrike
     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 28, 2004
    #37
  18. LuckyStrike

    mac Guest

    Hooray!! :))
    How's life LS?
     
    mac, Feb 28, 2004
    #38
  19. LuckyStrike

    LuckyStrike Guest

     
    LuckyStrike, Feb 28, 2004
    #39
  20. LuckyStrike

    PCR Guest

    YOU are the dread Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, RHCE, who plonked my dear
    friend & benefactor, that great humanitarian, LuckyStrike!!?!! I was
    HUNTING for you!

    Well, I'm glad this has ended amicably, before I could think up a
    horrible rhyme for your name! OK, bye!

    --
    Thanks or Good Luck,
    There may be humor in this post, and,
    Naturally, you will not sue,
    should things get worse after this,
    PCR

    | Dear Sir,
    |
    | I've changed my mind regarding redirection of your postings to certain
    | device.
    |
    | I didn't mean to accuse you but apparently I used wording that is
    terribly
    | wrong. I didn't mean to slam you at all, and I didn't have any
    evidence that
    | you're distributing virus, or links to malicious code. The fact that
    the
    | style of your initial announcement reminds me of several recent scams
    that I
    | recieved, doesn't make a good excuse. I'm sorry for confusing you
    with Jim
    | Eshelman, and I admit my total ignorance as I didn't know anything
    about
    | aumha.org site, which is apparently is a great resource with millions
    happy
    | users. Considering that all, I extend my sincere apologies to
    LuckyStrike
    | and those who feel offended by my rather silly comment.
    |
    | I am massively cross-posting this message to achieve most visibility
    of my
    | shame.
    |
    | Kindest regards,
    |
    | --
    | Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, RHCE
    |
    | Using real name
    |
    |
    | "LuckyStrike" <>
    wrote in
    | message | > This morning I saw that a certain Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MVP, MCSE
    slammed
    | me
    | > for <quote/> "Distributing viruses, huh?" <end/quote> in response to
    my
    | post
    | > Subject: New CWShredder update available which was dated Wednesday,
    | February
    | > 25, 2004 2:34 AM (MST)
    | > | >
    | > I have not in anyway offered a link that contains a virus, or am in
    any
    | way
    | > distributing a virus! I demand a retraction and an apology from that
    | person.
    | >
    | > Now, you may follow through in a logical and orderly manner through
    these
    | > links to see that the link I offered is Bona Fide and genuine, if
    you care
    | > to do so.
    | >
    | > Windows Support Center
    | > James A. Eshelman, Proprietor & Webmaster
    | > http://www.aumha.org/
    | > http://www.aumha.org/support.htm
    | > http://www.aumha.org/a/noads.htm
    | > No www. is required for the link I initially offered for CWShredder
    at the
    | > bottom of this page.
    | > http://aumha.org/a/parasite.php
    | > http://www.aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
    | >
    | > This website is about getting help solving computer problems and
    getting
    | > support for Microsoft products using the Microsoft Communities, or
    the
    | NNTP
    | > equivalent, newsgroups.
    | > http://www.dts-l.org/
    | > http://www.dts-l.org/gallery.htm
    | > Jim Eshelmans original link :
    | > http://free.freespeech.org/Khephra/
    | > now redirects to:
    | > http://www.aumha.org/
    | >
    | > So we have come full circle. I hope this will clarify matters as it
    | appears
    | > that some of you may have been put off by the name of the URL that
    was
    | > offered. If you're not satisfied with this, I'm sorry, but it's the
    best I
    | > could do to allay your concerns. If this has done nothing to assuage
    your
    | > worries, *don't* install the update then. Suit yourselves and you be
    the
    | > judge.
    | >
    | > Again, I expect a full and complete apology from this person
    Svyatoslav
    | > Pidgorny, who has wrongfully accused me of "distributing viruses".
    | > --
    | > LuckyStrike
    | >
    | > --------------------------------------------------------------------
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
     
    PCR, Feb 28, 2004
    #40
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