To hibernate or not to hibernate? That is the question.

Discussion in 'Windows Vista General Discussion' started by BudV, Jun 8, 2009.

  1. BudV

    BudV Guest

    Vista Home Premium SP1 (and WinXP Home SP3).

    After Best Buy "optimized" my new Toshiba laptop, the Hibernate option was
    nowhere to be found. Then, after going through World War III, erasing the
    disk, and re-installing Vista to factory-fresh standards, it was there.
    This time it even stuck around after Best Buy did their thing again. I
    decided to ask some questions. It seemed that if I didn't like one answer,
    all I had to do to get a second (and guaranteed different) opinion was to
    ask a different employee.

    I thought I liked Hibernate under XP. I was leery of Standby, probably
    because of my mainframe days when memory was *really* temporary. I had no
    trouble with Hibernate, and it was a faster restart than Shut Down. Now I'm
    told to use Sleep (the old Standby) because Hibernate is fraught with
    problems. Not only that, but I was told that Hibernate wasn't removed by
    Best Buy, but by Windows Update! Actually, if I could feel comfortable with
    Sleep, I like the idea of, say, dozing off after 10 minutes of inactivity,
    but waking up instantly when necessary, combined with invoking a Shut Down
    (or Hibernate) only when I close the lid.

    I look forward to getting a variety of opinions here.
     
    BudV, Jun 8, 2009
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  2. BudV

    Jon Guest

    Hibernate. That is my answer.

    Actually, I use all 3 (Standby / Hibernate / Shut down) and find them all
    useful...

    Standby: Quick resume with the flick of a mouse or press of a keyboard
    button
    Hibernate: Conserves power (effectively off), but still able to wake
    quickly, wake for scheduled tasks, etc
    Shut down: More secure eg if leaving the premises etc


    A dodgy Windows update I suppose could have removed your hibernate, but it
    could equally well be an 'optimization' gone wrong. Either way it wouldn't
    be the first time in human history where an expected enhancement caused more
    problems than it solved, and where the buck was shifted to someone else.


    Anyhow, don't rely on opinion / hearsay. Experiment. Try different
    combinations for yourself. Once you're comfortable with it, you should be
    able to use it in the same way as you did with XP.
     
    Jon, Jun 8, 2009
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  3. If a tech gets aggressive in "cleaning" the PC and removes the hibernation
    file that will disable hibernation. You can restore the hibernation file
    very easily and without reinstalling Windows.
     
    Richard G. Harper, Jun 8, 2009
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  4. Vista has what is called hybrid sleep. It is a combination of sleep and
    hibernation.

    When the computer goes into sleep (either by the sleep timer or by you
    manually placing the computer into sleep mode) the hibernation file is also
    created.

    When you wake the computer normally it resumes from sleep.

    The nice part is - if the power should fail for any reason the computer will
    resume from the hibernation file. It takes a bit longer but it brings you
    back to the same state that sleep would have, had the power not interrupted.
     
    Richard Urban, Jun 8, 2009
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  5. If you take a look at the disk cleanup option (start>all
    programs>accessories>system tools>disk cleanup) you will (or should do) see
    an option 'Hibernation File Cleaner' If you subsequently place a check mark
    in the box to the left of this option and allow disk cleanup to do its
    stuff, the next time you boot you will find hibernation missing. You might
    find that the Best Buy tech may have been a little too enthusiastic when
    using the disk cleanup tool and, probably, ticked most, if not all, of the
    boxes. (This link from my website explains how to disable/enable hibernation
    so you won't need to reinstall the operating system again:
    http://www.winuser.co.uk/windows_vista_faq/05_disable_hibernation.html )

    Hibernation is extremely useful but I only use it if I am going to be away
    from the PC for an hour or so. (This link shows you how to put the
    'hibernate' option on the shutdown menu:
    http://www.winuser.co.uk/windows_vista_faq/55_add_hibernation_option_to_shutdown_menu.html )
    Anything longer than that and the PC is shutdown completely.


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    John Barnett MVP, Jun 8, 2009
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  6. BudV

    Poutnik Guest

    Dalo Harkin's previous post was like this :
    There is minimal difference
    between S4 - STD - hibernation and S5 - Turn off state.

    E.g. at both states the keyboard and mouse
    are usually under power, awaiting user action.
    At Vista hybrid mode, also RAM is powered , with slow refresh.

    Huge difference comes when it is starting up.
    Booting, launching apps and bringing them back to previous state takes
    much longer than awaking.
     
    Poutnik, Jun 8, 2009
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  7. BudV

    Poutnik Guest

    John Barnett MVP's previous post was like this :
    IMHO for 1 hour only hibernation does not make much sense,
    unless saving notebook battery.
    Neither shut down for just several hours.

    For desktop standby for 1 hour is more then enough.

    Where you use shut down, I use hibernation.
    I usually shut down only, if I do want/need to reboot.
    I almost never use shutdown alone, unless leaving PC e.g. on vacation.
     
    Poutnik, Jun 8, 2009
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  8. BudV

    +Bob+ Guest

    I find Hibernate better implemented. Vista is well know for problems
    with sleep more - either attaining it, or sustaining it-. For example,
    on my system, I've found that even with the cover closed in sleep mode
    that moving the USB connected mouse causes the system to resume (yes,
    with the cover still closed). Problems with Vista sleep mode are
    rampant.

    Hibernate, OTOH, seems to work a bit better. It resumes faithfully
    about 95% of time. I still save all work ahead of time since you never
    know when you will hit the 5% "hibernate broke you have to power on
    off" problem. I think most of the hibernate problems result when you
    have a forced power off from battery expiration and you then plug in.

    Network connections can be troublesome coming out of either mode.
    Sometimes I end up rebooting. Other times they work. It remains to be
    seen if the alleged "performance improvements returning from sleep
    mode" correct these issues.

    Personally, I just power off if i will be gone for more than 30
    minutes. Frequent reboots seem to make Vista more palatable.
     
    +Bob+, Jun 8, 2009
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  9. BudV

    Poutnik Guest

    +Bob+'s previous post was like this :
    does help setting not react to mouse, only to kbd ?
    I use Vista hybrid mode, that is in fact ACPI S3 mode
    with powered RAM and created hibernation file..
    It never hits "5%".
    Exceptions are power failures,
    when it has to loads OS from hibernation file.

    Network is also troubleless.
    I suppose problems are rather machine dependent.
    Supposing machine dependent.
    I often reboot once a week.
     
    Poutnik, Jun 9, 2009
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  10. BudV

    BudV Guest

    Well, I asked for a variety of opinions and that's what I got.

    Thank you all for your contributions.

    Bud Vitoff
     
    BudV, Jun 14, 2009
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